The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[SocketRocket]

Really? I would have said that, like them or not, they were both very key voices in influencing people to vote for Brexit. Even I as someone firmly on the 'not' side, would admit they did it very well.

I assume by this you are basing it (again) on the view that most people (especially Leavers) are stupid. I think that people from both sides of the argument were astute enough to see through any key voices that were 'gilding the Lilly' and those key voices were very much at large in both camps. Even you must admit that.

 

[Hacker Khan]

You are overlooking that, down here, we had suffered BoJo [as our Mayor] long enough to know he's not to be taken too seriously... And, as I said previously, folk had long made their minds up on their voting preferences... Can't think of many [any in fact] that changed sides during the campaign... I feel you may well have too higher opinion of the nasty boys...

I'm not talking about changing sides, but with Brexit and indeed the US election, the ability to ensure your core voters were mobilised, engaged and all turned up to vote was key. And (unfortunately) I feel Bojo and Farage did that very well.

 

[Hobbit]

I'm not talking about changing sides, but with Brexit and indeed the US election, the ability to ensure your core voters were mobilised, engaged and all turned up to vote was key. And (unfortunately) I feel Bojo and Farage did that very well.

Perhaps we should blame the Remain campaigners for letting us down, for arrogance and, in effect, for stupidity. Thank goodness they didn't win. Imagine being governed by idiots like them.

 

[Foxholer]

I assume by this you are basing it (again) on the view that most people (especially Leavers) are stupid. I think that people from both sides of the argument were astute enough to see through any key voices that were 'gilding the Lilly' and those key voices were very much at large in both camps. Even you must admit that.

What makes you assume that? Did Hacker ever actually state that that was his (or her!) belief?

 

[SocketRocket]

What makes you assume that? Did Hacker ever actually state that that was his (or her!) belief?

The suggestion that people voted Leave due to the influence of people like Boris.

 

[hors limite]

Perhaps you could explain exactly where these jobs will be lost as they are such a certainty?

The EU can't let the UK pick the trade opportunities it wants to preserve and discard the things it doesn't want like freedom of movement. Otherwise, every other country would want to do the same. That being the case, I don't believe that the UK will have the same free access to EU markets and this will inevitably lead to a loss of jobs. Virtually every UK business organisation is expressing exactly these same fears.

 

[hors limite]

Unless I'm much mistaken I did compare it to a GE. Having experienced countless years of seeing the northeast of England ignored by successive governments I guess firsthand experience trumps your naivety.

I think that this is a completely different issue. You might want to ask yourself why the same neglected voters in the North East who voted so enthusiastically for Brexit re- elected a certain Tony Blair.A much better example of naivety?

 

[Hobbit]

I think that this is a completely different issue. You might want to ask yourself why the same neglected voters in the North East who voted so enthusiastically for Brexit re- elected a certain Tony Blair.A much better example of naivety?

Why would I want to ask myself something I already know? You could pin a red rosette on a donkey in the northeast and it would be elected. People vote for a party, not necessarily an individual.

 

[Hacker Khan]

What makes you assume that? Did Hacker ever actually state that that was his (or her!) belief?

He assumes that because it fits his narrative that all remainers assume all leavers are stupid. Which as you correctly point out I did not say anything of the sort. I was saying they mounted an effective campaign and mobilised the core voters. As did Trump. They played a good hand and did what they needed to do to win the election. I found it unfortunate as I did not agree with the thrust of their campaigns.

It is hard work sometimes when people want to read the same old thing into whatever someone types, no matter what it is. You even praise their side for running an effective campaign and they still see some malice in it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Perhaps we should blame the Remain campaigners for letting us down, for arrogance and, in effect, for stupidity. Thank goodness they didn't win. Imagine being governed by idiots like them.

I didn't mention anything about blame, was just saying they ran an effective campaign to when it comes to winning the elections/referendums. And yes there was some complacency on the opposing sides on both sides of the pond that did not help their campaign in any way. Personally I would not say that would mean they are unfit to govern, but it was a factor which I hope they will learn from.

 

[MegaSteve]

He assumes that because it fits his narrative that all remainers assume all leavers are stupid. Which as you correctly point out I did not say anything of the sort. I was saying they mounted an effective campaign and mobilised the core voters. As did Trump. They played a good hand and did what they needed to do to win the election. I found it unfortunate as I did not agree with the thrust of their campaigns.

But, the referendum wasn't an election or was it? As others, far cleverer than I, are still discussing/arguing what the vote actually was or meant to be I'll leave it to them...

Still reckon/believe we'll still be in rather than out come 2020... And, assuming there's not an earlier GE that'll be an interesting year...


As for Trump, don't think he was that good just Hilary created/caused great 'concern' about her possible direction of governance...


As soon as a political party cottons on they need to build homes ahead of railways/runways they'll be onto a winner...

As per Barack.. Business has had its share, now time for the people to get some payback...

 

[Foxholer]

The suggestion that people voted Leave due to the influence of people like Boris.

So that would mean that it's actually that YOU are saying those people are stupid!

Can you explain to me what you think the purpose of campaigning is, if not to influence the way people vote? Boris is no different to any campaigner in that regard!

 

[Hacker Khan]

But, the referendum wasn't an election or was it? As others, far cleverer than I, are still discussing/arguing what the vote actually was or meant to be I'll leave it to them...

Still reckon/believe we'll still be in rather than out come 2020... And, assuming there's not an earlier GE that'll be an interesting year...


As for Trump, don't think he was that good just Hilary created/caused great 'concern' about her possible direction of governance...


As soon as a political party cottons on they need to build homes ahead of railways/runways they'll be onto a winner...

As per Barack.. Business has had its share, now time for the people to get some payback...

No it wasn't. I was referring to both Brexit and Trump so I really should have said referendum/election. I was talking about the way they both very successfully appealed to their core voters and ensured that they voted.

As for building homes instead of railways then there is an argument that since Mrs Thatch, homes are built mostly by the private sector. But massive infrastructure projects like runways and HS2 have to be led by the government. So a government promising to build lots of homes is mostly setting themselves up for a fall. All they can really do is try and influence the conditions and regulations to encourage the private sector to build more. And that is not really a sexy election pledge.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Did I miss IndyRef2 in Scotland where they voted to leave the UK. I must have slept through that as I was convinced that Scotland was very much still a part of the UK and as such the economy of Scotland is still linked to that of the rest of the UK. So how is it none of my business if their leader is spending like a drunken sailor on a night out subsidised by the rest of the UK? Unless and until Scotland votes to leave the UK then what that poisonous little cow says, thinks and does is very much my concern, and that of every other UK citizen.

You are a nice person - that's just the sort of tripe that Scots come to expect from the English and that just reinforces and strengthens the negative opinion many Scots have of the English - all of them. Good on you. Well done.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Perhaps we should blame the Remain campaigners for letting us down, for arrogance and, in effect, for stupidity. Thank goodness they didn't win. Imagine being governed by idiots like them.

Like we are hearing hour by hour by those who voted to Leave. And those who voted to Leave were quite happy to have BoJo as PM and Andrea Loathsome as Chancellor - yes - arrant stupidity...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So we are so wrong because we suggest that those who voted Leave are stupid due to...

The suggestion that people voted Leave due to the influence of people like Boris.

Nice piece of revisionism - this is so deluded and arrogant - and I am sick to the teeth of the dismissive head in the sand rubbish Leavers spout. And it is because of that attitude that I am not going to shut up. Got forbid that we leave on your terms - whatever these are. Because all I know is that we have voted to go to a land of milk and honey that has a fabled city of gold across the sea that BoJo told us about and Leave voters gullibly bought into. How we get there and what we will actually find nobody actually knows, But hey - let's just jump off the cliff and start swimming and see what happens. It's nonsense - it's frankly stupid.

Until I hear some form of recognition and acceptance from Leavers that 16.1milllion people have serious issues and concerns that the government MUST take into account I'll not shut up and meanwhilw I shall continue to push and question and I will rejoice in every little issue that is thrown in the way of the government trying to fast track their way out of the EU. It is not what I want to do or how I want to act - but the arrogance of Leave is pushing me there.

Completed peed off rant over.

 

[MegaSteve]

As for building homes instead of railways then there is an argument that since Mrs Thatch, homes are built mostly by the private sector. But massive infrastructure projects like runways and HS2 have to be led by the government. So a government promising to build lots of homes is mostly setting themselves up for a fall. All they can really do is try and influence the conditions and regulations to encourage the private sector to build more. And that is not really a sexy election pledge.

Perhaps we need a government ready to turn the clocks back and be actively involved in house building... £55Bn would go a long way to resolving the nationwide housing problems... Plenty of ministry land up for sale over the next decade or so... So they have the land to make a start...

Apologies to OP gone way off topic now..

 

[ger147]

So we are so wrong because we suggest that those who voted Leave are stupid due to...



Nice piece of revisionism - this is so deluded and arrogant - and I am sick to the teeth of the dismissive head in the sand rubbish Leavers spout. And it is because of that attitude that I am not going to shut up. Got forbid that we leave on your terms - whatever these are. Because all I know is that we have voted to go to a land of milk and honey that has a fabled city of gold across the sea that BoJo told us about and Leave voters gullibly bought into. How we get there and what we will actually find nobody actually knows, But hey - let's just jump off the cliff and start swimming and see what happens. It's nonsense - it's frankly stupid.

Until I hear some form of recognition and acceptance from Leavers that 16.1milllion people have serious issues and concerns that the government MUST take into account I'll not shut up and meanwhilw I shall continue to push and question and I will rejoice in every little issue that is thrown in the way of the government trying to fast track their way out of the EU. It is not what I want to do or how I want to act - but the arrogance of Leave is pushing me there.

Completed peed off rant over.

I asked you in the Article 50 thread but you seem to have missed it, so will ask you again here.

What type of EU leaving would the government have had to comtemplate if the vote had gone the other way i.e. if Stay had one but over 16 million had voted to Leave?

 

[ColchesterFC]

You are a nice person - that's just the sort of tripe that Scots come to expect from the English and that just reinforces and strengthens the negative opinion many Scots have of the English - all of them. Good on you. Well done.

Why is it tripe? Just because I don't agree with your opinion of her? You get annoyed by a criticism of your beloved Wee Jimmy Krankie but are happy to throw your own insults around - such as Andrea Loathsome etc, does that make you not a "nice person". Grow up.

 

[Hobbit]

You are a nice person - that's just the sort of tripe that Scots come to expect from the English and that just reinforces and strengthens the negative opinion many Scots have of the English - all of them. Good on you. Well done.

And yet you think it's ok to say Theresa May-witch and Angela Loathsome. I wonder how you are perceived? Judge unto others...?

Would someone of high Christian values label people as you do?