The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[Blue in Munich]

The EU can't let the UK pick the trade opportunities it wants to preserve and discard the things it doesn't want like freedom of movement. Otherwise, every other country would want to do the same. That being the case, I don't believe that the UK will have the same free access to EU markets and this will inevitably lead to a loss of jobs. Virtually every UK business organisation is expressing exactly these same fears.

So not actually a certainty at all; just the fears of those who would have preferred Remain to win, looking to blame the Leave side for something that hasn't happened and may yet not happen.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Perhaps we need a government ready to turn the clocks back and be actively involved in house building... £55Bn would go a long way to resolving the nationwide housing problems... Plenty of ministry land up for sale over the next decade or so... So they have the land to make a start...

Apologies to OP gone way off topic now..

I agree about the waste of money. I'm a chair of governors at a school and know just how much schools are struggling now. Teachers will be made redundant, class sizes will rise and that will have an impact on the quality of education. And the money we will spend on Brexit could be put to vastly more useful purposes to make the UK great again IMHO.

If you want British jobs for British people then spend it on educating British kids, to me that will do far more to ensure we as a nation can be more self sufficient than any tightening of immigration policies ever will. Invest in the future education of the kids so they can compete in the global market we now operate in, or houses, or the NHS, not tying up government for many years to come and paying lawyers vast amounts of money to get us out of the current trade agreements and then draw up new ones.

But as you say, off topic now. But I did see in the Times today that apparently the German foreign minister can't stand to be in the same room as BoJo now. Which is nice.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Did I miss IndyRef2 in Scotland where they voted to leave the UK. I must have slept through that as I was convinced that Scotland was very much still a part of the UK and as such the economy of Scotland is still linked to that of the rest of the UK. So how is it none of my business if their leader is spending like a drunken sailor on a night out subsidised by the rest of the UK? Unless and until Scotland votes to leave the UK then what that poisonous little cow says, thinks and does is very much my concern, and that of every other UK citizen.

Perhaps rather than lowering yourself to childish name calling you could give the rest of us some information on the level of Scottish 'overspending'. [On the agreed block grant.]

 

[Hobbit]

Perhaps rather than lowering yourself to childish name calling you could give the rest of us some information on the level of Scottish 'overspending'. [On the agreed block grant.]

I wonder how many times its been suggested to you that you read the GERS report? You've had the numbers more times than mystic Meg but you just won't accept them.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Perhaps rather than lowering yourself to childish name calling you could give the rest of us some information on the level of Scottish 'overspending'. [On the agreed block grant.]

Pot and Kettle spring to mind with the bit in bold after some of your posts about Westminster politicians you don't like.

The latest figures I can find are 2015 budget deficit of £14.3 billion, or 9.1% of GDP (taken from the GERS figures).

I never said they were "overspending", that was your word. But unless you feel that running up a deficit of over £14 billion isn't overspending then I'm happy to go with your choice of word.

 

[MegaSteve]

But I did see in the Times today that apparently the German foreign minister can't stand to be in the same room as BoJo now. Which is nice.

Assuming its still Herr Steinmeir [Sp?] then I wouldn't wish to be in the same room as him... As I consider him to be another anti-worker member of the political classes...

Hey ho... Bring on the revolution... Then I can introduce the lot of 'em to madame guillotine...

 

[SocketRocket]

So that would mean that it's actually that YOU are saying those people are stupid!

Can you explain to me what you think the purpose of campaigning is, if not to influence the way people vote? Boris is no different to any campaigner in that regard!

I didn't suggest that did I? I answered the question on why I thought he was suggesting people were stupid that were swayed by the likes of Boris. My point is they are generally cleverer than to be swayed.

 

[SocketRocket]

He assumes that because it fits his narrative that all remainers assume all leavers are stupid. Which as you correctly point out I did not say anything of the sort. I was saying they mounted an effective campaign and mobilised the core voters. As did Trump. They played a good hand and did what they needed to do to win the election. I found it unfortunate as I did not agree with the thrust of their campaigns.

It is hard work sometimes when people want to read the same old thing into whatever someone types, no matter what it is. You even praise their side for running an effective campaign and they still see some malice in it.

I never said "all remainers assume all leavers are stupid." but I guess it fits your narrative to suggest I did.

I suggested that's what you have been posting but you are not 'all remainers' are you, some who voted 'remain' on here have taken a very practical view of the situation and have decided to move on from it but alas there are a few like yourself that can do nothing but talk down the future and accept that your views never won the day.

Stop talking the country down will you or you may just get what you wish for.

 

[Foxholer]

I asked you in the Article 50 thread but you seem to have missed it, so will ask you again here.

What type of EU leaving would the government have had to comtemplate if the vote had gone the other way i.e. if Stay had won but over 16 million had voted to Leave?

None at all! as Stay would have been the result!

 

[Foxholer]

I didn't suggest that did I? I answered the question on why I thought he was suggesting people were stupid that were swayed by the likes of Boris. My point is they are generally cleverer than to be swayed.

But HE didn't suggest that they were stupid! It was YOU that mentioned that word/condition!

You still haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Absolutely right, if the result had been reversed and Remain had won there would have been no concessions to the millions that voted Leave. But SiLH keeps saying that the wishes of the millions that voted to Remain must be taken into consideration in the negotiations, whether that is by continued access to the Single Market or Freedom of Movement or whatever else it might be. Not sure that he would have been so keen to see the same done if the result had gone the other way.

 

[SocketRocket]

But HE didn't suggest that they were stupid! It was YOU that suggested they might be!

You still haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

You are twisting my words in your normal way to promote your ongoing puerile policy of stalking me. I don't wish to discuss anything with you oddball. Just do one!

 

[Foxholer]

Absolutely right, if the result had been reversed and Remain had won there would have been no concessions to the millions that voted Leave. But SiLH keeps saying that the wishes of the millions that voted to Remain must be taken into consideration in the negotiations, whether that is by continued access to the Single Market or Freedom of Movement or whatever else it might be. Not sure that he would have been so keen to see the same done if the result had gone the other way.

That was also the policy (or at least the 'Sales Patter!) of the Leave Campaign! To leave the 'restrictions' of the EU, but retain the benefits - of Free Trade in particular!

 

[ger147]

None at all! as Stay would have been the result!

The question was specifically for silh as he has been consistently suggesting there should be some sort of compromise even tho' Remain lost as 16 million voted to Remain.

I wanted to know if he thought the same would apply had the result been reversed.

 

[Foxholer]

You are twisting my words in your normal way to promote your ongoing puerile policy of stalking me. I don't wish to discuss anything with you oddball. Just do one!

Nope! I'm just asking you to actually explain why you claimed Hacker considered Leavers 'stupid', when he stated nothing of the sort!

And you STILL haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

 

[SocketRocket]

Nope! I'm just asking you to actually explain why you claimed Hacker considered Leavers 'stupid', when he stated nothing of the sort!

And you STILL haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

I explained that. Now Do One!

 

[Foxholer]

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And you STILL haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

I explained that. Now Do One!

Er...Where did you do that?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Nope! I'm just asking you to actually explain why you claimed Hacker considered Leavers 'stupid', when he stated nothing of the sort!

And you STILL haven't answered the question about one of the major points of campaigning - to get the (apparently, in your opinion, stupid) undecided to vote your way!

I explained that. Now Do One!

Foxy n Socket

Can you take it outside into the car park and sort it out

come back when your blood pressure tablets have kicked in
Cheers

 

[FairwayDodger]

Absolutely right, if the result had been reversed and Remain had won there would have been no concessions to the millions that voted Leave. But SiLH keeps saying that the wishes of the millions that voted to Remain must be taken into consideration in the negotiations, whether that is by continued access to the Single Market or Freedom of Movement or whatever else it might be. Not sure that he would have been so keen to see the same done if the result had gone the other way.

Our entire dysfunctional relationship with the EU has been blighted by one concession to "leavers" or "eurosceptics" after another. No doubt that approach would have continued had we voted to stay in.

 

[Foxholer]

Foxy n Socket

Can you take it outside into the car park and sort it out

come back when your blood pressure tablets have kicked in
Cheers

Such a pugilistic Mod!

No blood pressure problems for me btw!