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The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

Bunkermagnet said:
I looked at the thread title, and thought "..are there any?".....but then 16 pages of more Brexit/Article 50/ similar arguements.
Think I will continue to ignore this and the others once again:)
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Aye - we can ignore him if we so choose - pity there are many others far more influential out there in the wider world listening rather carefully to what he says.
 
What is our Foreign Secretary doing blustering on in public about £100m/week more funding for the NHS? Does he not recognise that that is the job of the Minister for Health and SC - to have discussed in cabinet? Does he not realise that this is undermining of Hammond ---- ah!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What is our Foreign Secretary doing blustering on in public about £100m/week more funding for the NHS? Does he not recognise that that is the job of the Minister for Health and SC - to have discussed in cabinet? Does he not realise that this is undermining of Hammond ---- ah!
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Interesting that you have chosen to believe the headlines that put Boris in a bad light rather than Laura Kuenssburg who said he didn't mention specific figures or the BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith who said that "neither Mr Johnson nor any other minister raised a specific figure".

Could it be that you are simply looking for a way to put Boris down due to your personal dislike for him? Or are you guilty of exactly what you claim Boris is doing and simply blustering on in public?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42783247
 
ColchesterFC said:
Interesting that you have chosen to believe the headlines that put Boris in a bad light rather than Laura Kuenssburg who said he didn't mention specific figures or the BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith who said that "neither Mr Johnson nor any other minister raised a specific figure".

Could it be that you are simply looking for a way to put Boris down due to your personal dislike for him? Or are you guilty of exactly what you claim Boris is doing and simply blustering on in public?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42783247
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Did you not see Hammonds tv response? So there's absolutely nothing in this story then, Boris yet again voicing views beyond his govt role, all done to weaken May/Hammond and get him closer to No 10? Course not!:rolleyes:
How do you think the press even have this 'story'?
He only went pro Brexit imo to take an opposing stance to Cameron whom he wanted to replace as PM. Don't you recall his face when leave won? Compare that to Farage, a true leaver. Johnson's politicking is relentless until he is PM, will say and do anything and release 'snippets of info' that he and his backers think will help get him there. Nothing wrong with ambition but at least see it for what it is!
 
I haven't seen any TV for the last 4 weeks let alone Hammond's response so can't comment on that. I'm having to rely on printed news and internet for news.

And like you I have no idea how the press have this story but unlike you I am not speculating on it or who released it. You have absolutely no idea whether it was Boris or someone from his side that released the story or whether it was someone from May/Hammond's side doing it to discredit Johnson but it suits your view and dislike of Boris to say that it came from his side. Unless you've got a link that you can provide that shows the leak came from his side?

I don't particularly like Johnson and think it was a terrible decision to make him foreign secretary and it would be even worse were he to become PM. I also don't particularly like people that bend the facts that are known and invent stories to suit their own agenda. And both you and SiLH are guilty of that in this instance, unless you can prove otherwise.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I haven't seen any TV for the last 4 weeks let alone Hammond's response so can't comment on that. I'm having to rely on printed news and internet for news.

And like you I have no idea how the press have this story but unlike you I am not speculating on it or who released it. You have absolutely no idea whether it was Boris or someone from his side that released the story or whether it was someone from May/Hammond's side doing it to discredit Johnson but it suits your view and dislike of Boris to say that it came from his side. Unless you've got a link that you can provide that shows the leak came from his side?

I don't particularly like Johnson and think it was a terrible decision to make him foreign secretary and it would be even worse were he to become PM. I also don't particularly like people that bend the facts that are known and invent stories to suit their own agenda. And both you and SiLH are guilty of that in this instance, unless you can prove otherwise.
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Sources close to Johnson were openly briefing that he was to request £100m/week additional funding for the NHS at the Cabinet meeting. That we do not know exactly what he said does not take from the fact that we know he was rebuked by the Prime Minister and a 'large number' of Cabinet ministers. Or is that me just me plucking a juicy titbit of fake news to have a go at the devious, duplicitous and self-serving individual.
 
maxfli65 said:
Did you not see Hammonds tv response? So there's absolutely nothing in this story then, Boris yet again voicing views beyond his govt role, all done to weaken May/Hammond and get him closer to No 10? Course not!:rolleyes:
How do you think the press even have this 'story'?
He only went pro Brexit imo to take an opposing stance to Cameron whom he wanted to replace as PM. Don't you recall his face when leave won? Compare that to Farage, a true leaver. Johnson's politicking is relentless until he is PM, will say and do anything and release 'snippets of info' that he and his backers think will help get him there. Nothing wrong with ambition but at least see it for what it is!
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Spot on, anyone who sees Johnson for anything else should just replay that post Brexit result interview.
The very worst type of politician, in it for his ego and could not give a stuff about the public or his party.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Sources close to Johnson were openly briefing that he was to request £100m/week additional funding for the NHS at the Cabinet meeting. That we do not know exactly what he said does not take from the fact that we know he was rebuked by the Prime Minister and a 'large number' of Cabinet ministers. Or is that me just me plucking a juicy titbit of fake news to have a go at the devious, duplicitous and self-serving individual.
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So we agree that we don't know what he said, and now you are rowing back from your original claim that Boris was "blustering on in public" about more funding for the NHS? Now it's "sources close to Johnson". The guy is a clown but you do yourself no favours by trying to put your own spin on the facts to try to make him look bad/worse. Why not just post what has happened not what you'd like to have happened?
 
In The Times today it was reported (leaked) he had a severe dressing down in the cabinet meeting yesterday regarding his latest outburst.

To me he is trying to use the current dire funding situation in the NHS to forward his political career and seem to be coming to the rescue of it. Hurrah for Brexit, as we can now fund the NHS with all the money we saved, 350 million, 100 million, whatever, the amount doesn't matter as long as he gets to number 10.

A truly loathsome political opportunist of the highest order and to me it is utterly embarrassing that he is our foreign secretary,
 
ColchesterFC said:
So we agree that we don't know what he said, and now you are rowing back from your original claim that Boris was "blustering on in public" about more funding for the NHS? Now it's "sources close to Johnson". The guy is a clown but you do yourself no favours by trying to put your own spin on the facts to try to make him look bad/worse. Why not just post what has happened not what you'd like to have happened?
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Well it just seemed you were determined to jump on the bandwagon and have a pop at SILH rather than really be concerned if the word 'blustering' was appropriate or not to describe what caused a rebuke from PM/Cabinet to whatever Boris did or didn't say about £100m extra for NHS. That's how it came across.
Can we not agree he has said something (as all media right and left have picked it up) to try to court public popularity without consulting PM/Chancellor/Cabinet first? He made a similar move with the article in the Telegraph recently about his vision for Brexit.
 
I'm all for the extra funding for the NHS, but I'm surprised that the call is coming from a Tory MP. After all, we know that the Tories want to run the NHS into the ground to the point that the "ONLY" way out is to privatize it, which is what they've always wanted.
 
ColchesterFC said:
So we agree that we don't know what he said, and now you are rowing back from your original claim that Boris was "blustering on in public" about more funding for the NHS? Now it's "sources close to Johnson". The guy is a clown but you do yourself no favours by trying to put your own spin on the facts to try to make him look bad/worse. Why not just post what has happened not what you'd like to have happened?
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OK. So Boris was himself not saying the £100m/week directly in public - I think that we all knew that - and I think that you know that I knew that - but if you do not include 'sources close to him' doing the briefing as exactly the same thing as Boris doing the briefing - well - I leave that with you.

And actually you'll maybe have missed part of what the FS as said and that has p'd off May and Hammond - and others in the Cabinet - and the FS himself said this publicly - that not only does he stick with the £350m/week brexit dividend - but that it will be more. And here's a link reporting what he said - just in case I haven't got it exactly correct.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...en-more-than-350m-a-week-to-nhs-a8161316.html

You see it wasn't just what he said about £100m/week that he got a dressing down over.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
In The Times today it was reported (leaked) he had a severe dressing down in the cabinet meeting yesterday regarding his latest outburst.

To me he is trying to use the current dire funding situation in the NHS to forward his political career and seem to be coming to the rescue of it. Hurrah for Brexit, as we can now fund the NHS with all the money we saved, 350 million, 100 million, whatever, the amount doesn't matter as long as he gets to number 10.

A truly loathsome political opportunist of the highest order and to me it is utterly embarrassing that he is our foreign secretary,
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Agree 100%
 
adam6177 said:
I'm all for the extra funding for the NHS, but I'm surprised that the call is coming from a Tory MP. After all, we know that the Tories want to run the NHS into the ground to the point that the "ONLY" way out is to privatize it, which is what they've always wanted.
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What Boris Johnson says in relation to any Brexit Dividend and the NHS generally has little foundation in reality and what might be possible in the future. It is largely hogwash blustering for his own political ends. As HK says - he is an embarrassment of a FS.

In any case - the Brexit Dividend that Johnson and Fox talk about becoming available to spend 2020 on - whatever the actual amount is - £100m/week, £200/week or £350m+/week it does not really matter - because the Chancellor - in accordance with the independent forecasting by the OBR - tells us there will be no money available for any such dividend.

But that doesn't stop Johnson and Fox telling us there will be one. So are they either misinformed or being deceitful - or maybe they just don't like what they OBR says and so choose to ignore it and invent their own more positive financial future - because it suits their own ends and they can hide behind it.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
In The Times today it was reported (leaked) he had a severe dressing down in the cabinet meeting yesterday regarding his latest outburst.

To me he is trying to use the current dire funding situation in the NHS to forward his political career and seem to be coming to the rescue of it. Hurrah for Brexit, as we can now fund the NHS with all the money we saved, 350 million, 100 million, whatever, the amount doesn't matter as long as he gets to number 10.

A truly loathsome political opportunist of the highest order and to me it is utterly embarrassing that he is our foreign secretary,
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Subscribed.

An abhorrent individual. I know politicians will always look to further their careers, but I'm sure they used to at least TRY to disguise it with some sensible policy and rhetoric.
 
I am sure if Brexit couldn't have dragged into it now't would have been said...

Me, I am loving every minute of watching the tory boys 'n girls implode...

BJ is the dahling of the blue rinse brigade and therefore untouchable...

And, Ms May knows that full well...
 
MegaSteve said:
I am sure if Brexit couldn't have dragged into it now't would have been said...

Me, I am loving every minute of watching the tory boys 'n girls implode...

BJ is the dahling of the blue rinse brigade and therefore untouchable...

And, Ms May knows that full well...
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You're absolutely right, she can't touch him!!! Agreed it's fun to watch, either that or I'd run for the hills :)
 
Resurrecting this as a result of listening to Boris Johnson answering questions yesterday on a missing £46m from the London Garden bridge project

Disgraceful performance - and a performance was all it was. Full of blaming others, evasion, deceit, diversion and 'forgetfulness'. And this is the individual that many trotted after into the Referendum polling station. He should be out on his ear - he is a disgraceful, deceitful, self-serving charlatan and chancer - sullying the great position of state he currently holds. If only our PM was a bit stronger we might see the back of him - we'd hope forever.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-garden-bridge-plan-that-will-cost-public-46m

I don't hate anyone - but I utterly detest this sort of character.
 
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