The Words of Wisdom of Boris Johnson - Foreign Secretary

[Deleted member 21784]

It should be investigated. But it should not come out of police budgets. If it does, where does it end. Government money should be funding this.

All the same money though isn’t it?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If somebody is dead they can not defend themselves . In cases of he / she did this or this to me it becomes one persons word against another. The person still alives word suddenly has a massive advantage

Yep, that’s right, the only evidence Police ever use is verbal!

What about were people have been aware of it happening but were too scared to come forward or were threatened or evidence only came to light after the dead pedo’s belongings, computers/pictures etc were found.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yep, that’s right, the only evidence Police ever use is verbal!

What about were people have been aware of it happening but were too scared to come forward or were threatened or evidence only came to light after the dead pedo’s belongings, computers/pictures etc were found.

The dead “pedo” has a right to appeal as the evidence might be wrong. How many cases are won on appeal each year? A dead man can’t appeal but his legacy is ruined forever

Historic sex abuse against a living person is different story. Rolf Harris etc got what they deserved.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The dead “pedo” has a right to appeal as the evidence might be wrong. How many cases are won on appeal each year? A dead man can’t appeal but his legacy is ruined forever

Historic sex abuse against a living person is different story. Rolf Harris etc got what they deserved.

So do you think they shouldnt have investigated Jimmy Saville then ?

All those people sufffering because of what he did finally getting some sort of closure to be finally told that they werent in the wrong ?

Dead or Alive - any crime must be investigated

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The dead “pedo” has a right to appeal as the evidence might be wrong. How many cases are won on appeal each year? A dead man can’t appeal but his legacy is ruined forever

Historic sex abuse against a living person is different story. Rolf Harris etc got what they deserved.

I can’t work out if you’re on a wind up here!

So any person who’s suffered as a child to a now dead abuser should be ignored and told to get on with their life as the abuser can’t defend themselves!!

Is it any wonder abusers get away with what they do if society has your attitude to their crimes!

Regardless if the abuser is dead the Police will take every case serious and investigate, death doesn’t stop there being a crime.

Should Jimmy Saville be left alone?

He had people in high places ignoring his crimes because of who he was, what about their cupability!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I can’t work out if you’re on a wind up here!

So any person who’s suffered as a child to a now dead abuser should be ignored and told to get on with their life as the abuser can’t defend themselves!!

Is it any wonder abusers get away with what they do if society has your attitude to their crimes!

Regardless if the abuser is dead the Police will take every case serious and investigate, death doesn’t stop there being a crime.

Should Jimmy Saville be left alone?

He had people in high places ignoring his crimes because of who he was, what about their cupability!

Sorry but you can’t claim we are skint as a nation whilst spending millions on these investigations and throwing millions at the McCann fund. Very sad ofc but there comes a limit where the gov has the stand up and say you were in the wrong to leave her alone you can’t expect hand outs constantly to fund a fruitless search.

If we had more money as a nation then would be different to the cold cases as it were .. right now we have a knife epidemic.. but no it’s fine let’s focus on dead pedos..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry but you can’t claim we are skint as a nation whilst spending millions on these investigations and throwing millions at the McCann fund. Very sad ofc but there comes a limit where the gov has the stand up and say you were in the wrong to leave her alone you can’t expect hand outs constantly to fund a fruitless search.

If we had more money as a nation then would be different to the cold cases as it were .. right now we have a knife epidemic.. but no it’s fine let’s focus on dead pedos..

Blimey

Arent the McCanns entitled to be able to continue to search for their missing child ? And hasnt a lot of funding come from donations ?

So are you going to answer the Jimmy Savile question ?Someone who has affected a lot of peoples lives and there are current people who covered it up - should they not be investigated

They are still investigating knife crime - they havent stopped because they are looking into child abuse cases

What about the victims ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Blimey

Arent the McCanns entitled to be able to continue to search for their missing child ? And hasnt a lot of funding come from donations ?

So are you going to answer the Jimmy Savile question ?Someone who has affected a lot of peoples lives and there are current people who covered it up - should they not be investigated

They are still investigating knife crime - they havent stopped because they are looking into child abuse cases

What about the victims ?

Whilst it is very sad the McCanns don’t deserve the search money anymore. If they were a working class family they would have been locked up and had their other two kids taken off them. Nobody else has got any where near this kind of money for searches . It’s baffling

Saville has opened up a can of worms. He hasn’t been brought to justice tho at all. He is dead. regardless of what he did (which was awful) he is still dead.

The victims have my sympathy however if they had spoken up during savilles life maybe he would have been stopped sooner? Too many people wait until somebodies dead.

Micheal Jackson is a prime example. One of those in the new programme swore under oath that nothing happened .. soon as the moneys dried up he’s changed his tune.

too Many people come forward for compensation.

 

[Hobbit]

Whilst it is very sad the McCanns don’t deserve the search money anymore. If they were a working class family they would have been locked up and had their other two kids taken off them. Nobody else has got any where near this kind of money for searches . It’s baffling

Saville has opened up a can of worms. He hasn’t been brought to justice tho at all. He is dead. regardless of what he did (which was awful) he is still dead.

The victims have my sympathy however if they had spoken up during savilles life maybe he would have been stopped sooner? Too many people wait until somebodies dead.

Micheal Jackson is a prime example. One of those in the new programme swore under oath that nothing happened .. soon as the moneys dried up he’s changed his tune.

too Many people come forward for compensation.

Operation Yew Tree!!!!

Educate yourself.

On the back of the initial complaint into Jimmy Saville the investigation was widened. A further 19 living offenders were identified and convicted.

Further to that, a number of organisations have changed their processes and procedures to incorporate better protections because of Operation Yew Tree. And all because of an investigation into a long dead peadophile.

Would you prefer, as it sounds like you would, that further investigations hadn't taken place and 19 living offenders were still roaming the streets?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Operation Yew Tree!!!!

Educate yourself.

On the back of the initial complaint into Jimmy Saville the investigation was widened. A further 19 living offenders were identified and convicted.

Further to that, a number of organisations have changed their processes and procedures to incorporate better protections because of Operation Yew Tree. And all because of an investigation into a long dead peadophile.

Would you prefer, as it sounds like you would, that further investigations hadn't taken place and 19 living offenders were still roaming the streets?

How many are back on the streets due to very short prison sentences? Harris is a prime example

He is still super rich
He is out now

 

[Hobbit]

How many are back on the streets due to very short prison sentences? Harris is a prime example

He is still super rich
He is out now

And now you're moving the goalposts.

But, as per the question at the end of my previous post, would you be happy to have 19 sex offenders not found and convicted?

 

[drdel]

Had Cliff Richards been dead the outcome might have been entirely different. Any case involving a dead person will be extremely difficult to establish truth.

IMO Johnson has a point in a sensitive subject even if he put it rather clumsily.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

And now you're moving the goalposts.

But, as per the question at the end of my previous post, would you be happy to have 19 sex offenders not found and convicted?

I think it’s very dangerous how they go about it. Cliff Richards rep was ruined by this. These 19 well fantastic they found 19 more people however they ruined innocent persons life in the process

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think it’s very dangerous how they go about it. Cliff Richards rep was ruined by this. These 19 well fantastic they found 19 more people however they ruined innocent persons life in the process

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree

Cliff Richard wasn’t arrested as part of Op Yewtree - he was never arrested. The media played a big part in his issue and very much doubt his life is ruined

But it’s seems you are more worried about the potential ruined life of a celebrity as opposed to all the victims of the systematic historical sexual abuse at the hands of these celebrities- at first I thought you were on a wind up but I just think you just don’t understand and have zero empathy for others.

As Hobbit says - Educate yourself

 

[Tashyboy]

All the same money though isn’t it?

Not even close, by a country mile it's not close.

EG, Nottinghamshire police get X million per year to police Notts. All of a sudden it has to investigate crimes from 30 years ago which have happend in Notts. That's fact. All of a sudden it has to find X millions which it has not budgeted for and does not have. Does that mean it should not be investigated. No. Does that mean we have to have less X number of coppers on the street to pay for said investigation. On top of the government saying we need more armed coppers on the street but are only paying 50% of the costs.
On a side note who is paying for the investigation into the bloody Sunday's shootings. The police?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Not even close, by a country mile it's not close.

EG, Nottinghamshire police get X million per year to police Notts. All of a sudden it has to investigate crimes from 30 years ago which have happend in Notts. That's fact. All of a sudden it has to find X millions which it has not budgeted for and does not have. Does that mean it should not be investigated. No. Does that mean we have to have less X number of coppers on the street to pay for said investigation. On top of the government saying we need more armed coppers on the street but are only paying 50% of the costs.
On a side note who is paying for the investigation into the bloody Sunday's shootings. The police?

No what I meant was say if you provide the money from the gov that’s less that can go into police budgets

 

[Tashyboy]

No what I meant was say if you provide the money from the gov that’s less that can go into police budgets

Eh, am not sure what you mean explain please.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Eh, am not sure what you mean explain please.

The government for example has £100 to run all the departments it needs

Let’s say the police get £10, fire £10 nhs £20 and so on
Say we assign £5 to this investigation

Isn’t that £5 less we could provide the police budget? Ie the police budget all comes from central goverment so anything that comes out of central government is the same money

 

[Tashyboy]

The government for example has £100 to run all the departments it needs

Let’s say the police get £10, fire £10 nhs £20 and so on
Say we assign £5 to this investigation

Isn’t that £5 less we could provide the police budget? Ie the police budget all comes from central goverment so anything that comes out of central government is the same money

If it's all the same money as you stated, how's it £5 less. You have answered your own question.No it's not, which is what I said.👍

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If it's all the same money as you stated, how's it £5 less. You have answered your own question.No it's not, which is what I said.👍

Because if you are giving £5 to the fund for the investigations then that’s £5 less available from the £100 you could give to the police fund..

Either way it’s tax payers money being imo wasted ..