The Timgolfy Method v The Tiger Method

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Your range BANS golf shoes?! That is the most ridiculous part of your post! :D
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I thought it was quite normal actually. :D

I think it comes from the days when spikes were spikes and cut up mats over time. I think/guess if I asked to play in softspikes, that'd be ok.

Should I ask? Not because I want to take my golf shoes, but in the interests of sanity? :D
 
I still have to say I don't think Tim's approach works as there is no realism to the practice. It's easy to hit any club off a flat lie with no pressure as there is always another in the bucket. It is playing off a sidehill lie, having to pitch just over the bunker toa tight pin, making three foot putts for par, playing a plugged bunker shot and every other different scenario that makes range and course play so different. Heck I've had range sessions where I could have passed as a competent golfer.

I have no problem going to a range and honing a technique but I think Tim has gone beyond that now and the range is a comfort blanket. We all saw the H4H scores (ok I know it was a tough scoring day anyway and totally accept that) but at the time he said he needed to play more.

I don't think he'll ever get to a scratch handicap or beyond. He may play level par rounds but that is different. However why not go out and play, put three cards in and get a benchmark to compare where the work to date has got you. Otherwise how do you know if are improving
 
I still have to say I don't think Tim's approach works as there is no realism to the practice. It's easy to hit any club off a flat lie with no pressure as there is always another in the bucket. It is playing off a sidehill lie, having to pitch just over the bunker toa tight pin, making three foot putts for par, playing a plugged bunker shot and every other different scenario that makes range and course play so different. Heck I've had range sessions where I could have passed as a competent golfer.

I have no problem going to a range and honing a technique but I think Tim has gone beyond that now and the range is a comfort blanket. We all saw the H4H scores (ok I know it was a tough scoring day anyway and totally accept that) but at the time he said he needed to play more.

I don't think he'll ever get to a scratch handicap or beyond. He may play level par rounds but that is different. However why not go out and play, put three cards in and get a benchmark to compare where the work to date has got you. Otherwise how do you know if are improving
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You REALLY dont like Tim do you?
 
Homer is right - I've recently been asking myself what the target is - how do I know when my range golf is good enough to shoot the scores I want?

From my experience of other people I meet (on the range), I don't think that many of them are honest to themselves with regards to their skill level. For instance, the other week I was talking to a chap on the range and he was saying how confident he is on the course with his play. "Go on then, that's the fairway down there - let's see a shot". Slice, slice, hook, slice. "Hold on," he says, "let's do this right now." Heavy fade. Eventually one goes down the middle. "See, I know I can do it on the course."
 
Homer has got it spot on.
No amount of range work can prepare you for what you will come across during an average 18 holes of golf.
If a round of golf meant hitting all my shots off a completely flat lie, shielded from the wind and rain, (although I hate both), then I would have given up years ago. What interest is there in that?????

Mate of mine, good golfer, (plays off single figures), came to the first Addington meet I arranged a couple of years ago. I was having a lesson at Sedlescombe driving range the evening before the meet, and he came down to meet up with me and was striping his driver off the tee, lovely bit of draw and clearing the fence down the bottom of the range. Really swinging well, nice consistent swing speed and absolutely creaming the ball.
He felt confident and was looking forward to playing the next day.
He had 21 points in the morning and not many more in the afternoon.
What a waste of time going down the range was for him. He might as well have stayed indoors and watched Corrie for all the good it did him.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Okay, put another way - take a player who hits 17/18 GIR - what level of consistency would he expect to hit on the range?
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Again, it can't equate to anything. The range has a few targets and some distance markers,flat lies and open spaces. The course has bunkers and ditches to carry, trees to play round, dodgy lies, rough to stifle your Sunday best shot, bad bounces to take your Sunday best drive into the rough, mounds to push the "good" approach 10 yards off the green, flags to hit and spin off into a bunker, will the ball spin or not and how much - the list is endless.
Being able to hit balls well on the range is a good starting point. You could hit 18 balls to 18 range greens/targets and hit them all but it doesn't mean it's going to happen on the course where the hazards above will do their best to stop you.
Get out and play. Substitute a range session or 2 for a round. Keep practicing - don't stop because it's doing some good - but play more. The experience you'll build up on the course is invaluable.
 
Okay, put another way - take a player who hits 17/18 GIR - what level of consistency would he expect to hit on the range?
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You can't equate consistency on the course to the range, it is completely different. Yes the range has it's benefits but it is no substitute for the course.
 
Okay, put another way - take a player who hits 17/18 GIR - what level of consistency would he expect to hit on the range?
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I don't think Tim's promoting range over course here, just asking how good a Tour Pro would look on the range, and I think the answer is that to us mere mortals he would look unbelievably good. Even on long irons I'd expect to see within 5 yards lengthwise and very little dispersion.

Who was it who used to send his caddy down the range with a baseball glove and the caddy would stand there and catch the shots while barely moving off his spot?
 
Many of them. I've seen Faldo do it and I've seen Ronan Rafferty hitting 2 irons which his caddy caught in a bucket. With the trajectory of a 2 iron I'd want danger money to do that job.
 
You REALLY dont like Tim do you?
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I've never met the guy but I have nothing against him on here at all. I don't agree with his approach to getting to his target and some of the stuff he writes but that is just my opinion. A lot of guys on here say I over practice, over think and try too hard. Again I don't think its the case but they are entitled to their view whether they've seen me play or not.
 
You REALLY dont like Tim do you?
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I've never met the guy but I have nothing against him on here at all. I don't agree with his approach to getting to his target and some of the stuff he writes but that is just my opinion. A lot of guys on here say I over practice, over think and try too hard. Again I don't think its the case but they are entitled to their view whether they've seen me play or not.
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Homer, you really need to look back over all the posts regarding Tim then say you have nothing against him.
 
Homer, you really need to look back over all the posts regarding Tim then say you have nothing against him.
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Not sure why its such an issue for you. Its a forum and I've voiced an opinion. I don't think he'll get to his goal. I don't think his method is ideal. I don't think hitting 300+ shots at a range and trying for tour like swing speeds is necessary and I don't think only 8 tour players can hit it further than him as per one of his posts.

Tim puts posts up that provoke a response. I've giving mine. That doesn't mean to say I wouldn't like to meet him. I offered him a match for money (for H4H) when he first came here as he seemed convinced he knew it all despite only playing on a course a few times. He played in the H4H instead and manned up. Nothing but respect for him doing so.

Like I say, nothing personal. As it happens, he and I have conversed via PM as well and seem pretty square with each other. I suggest you perhaps avail yourself with all the facts before commenting :mad:
 
If you are good enough with a fairway wood/hybrid or a long iron then all your driver shots need to be is fairway bound.

I say set up a score with the long game, make a good score with the short game.
 
The range is for grooving or fixing swing issues. The course is where you find which issues they are.
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If you get any wiser, I'm going to apply for shares in your grey matter. :D :D

I think it's too hard to groove or fix on the course, so I don't. I have the odd "thought" but that's it.
 
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