The old HC system...not for the young bucks of this forum.....

[Tommo21]

Having a look through some of the posts I see some of us are getting fed up with going up .1 every medal. I know one or two top players who get depressed when they go up like this. I also know a few who are thinking or have given up the game.

Under the old HC system, pretty $hite really, I would still be at 5. Anyone agree that if we were on the old system a temporary slump in form is more or less discarded. Not until you’re playing real crap would anyone sit up and take notice.

 

[Tommo21]

After a second look I would be playing off 3..............mmmm.

 

[Robobum]

How did the "Old" system work then?? Can't remember in my old age.

 

[G1BB0]

I bet I would still be off 28 though

what was the old system Tommo?

 

[chris661]

From old black and white movies it was a full shot off for every shot under CSS wasn't it?

 

[Tommo21]

From old black and white movies it was a full shot off for every shot under CSS wasn't it?

Aye....thats about right, and, if you next six months were crap, hard luck.

 

[Robobum]

Cool, how did it work with increases??

 

[chris661]

still the 0.1 I think.

 

[CallawayKid]

Bloody hell, I would've dropped to 8 then this season!

 

[Robobum]

Blimey!! If I've got it right, that would leave me playing off of 1 this year!!!

Bet that would have made for loads of (relatively) crap scratch golfers

 

[Tommo21]

Cool, how did it work with increases??

Usually down to some committee bloke who looks at your record over the season and decides how much you go up. If you play bad for a few months, say average 5 over your HC then you would be lucky to get a couple of shots back. Just by the stroke of a pen.

If you fall out with that guy through the year then you get he haw. I got he haw.

 

[Tommo21]

Blimey!! If I've got it right, that would leave me playing off of 1 this year!!!

Bet that would have made for loads of (relatively) crap scratch golfers

Sure did.....some were good of course.

 

[thecraw]

The new handicap system hampers the low man and aids the high man. Every bloody week you get a net 59, net 61 etc with someone shooting 83-14 or whatever. The low man shoots a 68-2 and is lucky to get a cut due to the stupid CSS being hammered by a few good scores.

Total farce.

Also why can I have a 34 on a hole and it comes down to a double bogie? 17 decent holes later I can get a handicap reduction???

 

[GB72]

I would support a graded system that helped you reach your correct handicap quicker. I would even go for a 1.5 reduction for each shot under CSS for Cat4 and a shot off for Cat3. To my mind that would mean that one or two good rounds would bring you down to a fair handicap (one you do not play to or beat every week)

 

[JezzE]

The new handicap system hampers the low man and aids the high man. Every bloody week you get a net 59, net 61

But 'how low' makes no difference to the CSS calculation for handicap purposes. Might be frustrating from a prize perspective but 15 under SSS is no different to 1 under from a CSS perspective.

Also why can I have a 34 on a hole and it comes down to a double bogie? 17 decent holes later I can get a handicap reduction???

Because the 17 decent holes are a better reflection of your true ability than one moment of multi-putt, multi-lost ball madness?

 

[bladeplayer]

Id say if the old system was still in you would get complaints regarding... i got cut big time for a couple of good rounds & itl take me ages to get back up etc .. i think the way it is is ok , play to the handicap you are at and you wont go up ..

 

[Monty_Brown]

But 'how low' makes no difference to the CSS calculation for handicap purposes. Might be frustrating from a prize perspective but 15 under SSS is no different to 1 under from a CSS perspective.



Because the 17 decent holes are a better reflection of your true ability than one moment of multi-putt, multi-lost ball madness?

Jezz, it's a fair point....but... the handicap must also take into account your ability to put together a score in competition conditions... if you play well and score low in social games, yet always go to pieces in medals, then you could argue that your true ability is "unable to play under any sort of pressure". Guess it depends what we regard as "true ability" and "normal conditions" I suppose.

 

[timchump]

i'm new to the handicap system, and can't believe it only goes up 0.1 after shooting a bad score.

before i got confused when playing with less able golfers yet with a handicap in the low teens,
i can see how it happens now (one good round in ten?!)

why isn't he handicap a true reflection of how you score on average?

 

[G1BB0]

I guess if you score a low one you get a decent size cut, if it was a freak round then over time you will eventually level out rather than be up and down like a yoyo

 

[JezzE]

Jezz, it's a fair point....but... the handicap must also take into account your ability to put together a score in competition conditions... if you play well and score low in social games, yet always go to pieces in medals, then you could argue that your true ability is "unable to play under any sort of pressure". Guess it depends what we regard as "true ability" and "normal conditions" I suppose.

I agree, to a point, but for handicap purposes the concept of medal play doesn't really exist any more as every medal has effectively become a Stableford as far as handicaps go. Of course, you won't win much in the way of prizes if you're prone to throwing the odd cricket score into your medal rounds...!