the end for andy carroll?

[connor]

is he slowly starting to be pushed out? he has fell down the pecking order but is this the biggest hint he is on his way?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7463021/Reds-fail-with-Tevez-approach

Sky Sports understands Liverpool have failed with an audacious swap bid which would have seen them take Carlos Tevez from Manchester City in exchange for Andy Carroll.
Argentina international Tevez

is widely expected to leave the Etihad Stadium during the January transfer window having been AWOL in his homeland since November, a move which has cost him a staggering £9.3million in lost wages and incentives.
AC Milan,

Inter Milan

and Paris Saint Germain

have all been linked with his services at various points throughout the past month, but a deal to end his spell at City appears no closer to being concluded

Now Liverpool

are understood to be the latest side to make an offer for the former Manchester United

and West Ham man, offering misfiring forward Carroll

in return.

[h=4]Not interested[/h]The £35million signing from Newcastle

during the January transfer window last year has failed to sparkle on Merseyside, scoring just six goals since his arrival with the Anfield giants.
However, the Reds' offer to their Premier League rivals is believed to have been rejected by City, with Tevez also not interested in the short move from Manchester to Merseyside.
Roberto Mancini's men are believed to be holding out for what they regard to be the full market value for their former captain, and will only sanction a deal if they receive an offer of £30million.
With the transfer window due to slam shut on Tuesday night, there are sure to be further discussions behind the scenes by Tevez's advisor Kia Joorabchian as he looks to secure his client's long-term future.

 

[BTatHome]

Most of these types of reports are just jackanory, nobody every complains about them, and it's always 'insiders'.

 

[DappaDonDave]

He's truly useless...karma for selling Torres to Chelsea who has also underperformed. It's clearly the players around the which make them look better than thy are...Charlie Adam being another example.

 

[Basher]

Top weight donkey.

Awesome for Newcastle but just doesn't suit Liverpool's style of play. I have no doubt he may be a talented player, sadly not whilst wearing a Liverpool shirt.

 

[MadAdey]

Andy Carroll wants to play kick and rush football. He wants it knocking 50 yards down the pitch for him to head down to someone else. Or thumped into the mixer in the hope that he can get on the end of something. He has the first touch of a Sunday league footballer.

I am a Liverpool fan and starting to run out of patience with him. I understood last season he was recovering from an injury so needed time to get his fitness back. Then this season starts and the same excuse is being said by the club that he is struggling to find fitness. He has now had 7 months of full time training to get his fitness back and he just never appears to get better. Yes Torres has not exactly set the world alight at Chelsea, but at least you can see the player he was a couple of years ago now and again. Carroll has never proved himself at Premier league, Europe or international level.

The bottom line for me is the money side of things. £15M for a young english striker is making a future investment. £35M is someone to come straight in and score goals. After all he cost the same as Aguero.........:mmm:

 

[Essex_Stu]

I feel slightly sorry for the idiot. I feel he is a good player but he is extremley weighed down by the price tag he went for. As Basher said Liverpools style does not suit him at all but you cant change the whole playing style for one player. Needs to go back to a mid table club and try and capture some form, confidence and fitness. Oh and he is a first rate idiot BTW

 

[Andr3w]

Liverpool blew almost £100m on Carroll, Adam, Downing and Henderson and you have to wonder if that was money well spent. All these players looked better for their previous clubs but sometimes players find their level and can't make the step up.

 

[pokerjoke]

You cant blame Carrol.
Daglish should never have bought him,as he doesnt fit into the
Liverpool way of playing.
Would be a great buy for Stoke,but can anyone afford his wages.
That would want him.
I think Liverpool will have to take a big hit.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think put him in a Bolton or Stoke team and he'd bag a few goals based on their style of play. Not a top PL goalscorer and not the man for Liverpool. They need a poacher and have had the odd good ones along the way Toshack, Fowler, Rush etc I think they need to offload him and he's wage bill and re-assess for next season. Sods law says Carroll gets the Carling Cup winner now

 

[G1BB0]

made the winner yesterday for Kuyt though, must have repaid a little bit of the price tag

I still feel he will come good, all the players talk positively, Kenny even admitted he was in no shape when he arrived and that he has is strengths but also has a lot to work on to fit the mould

The only issue is the price tag, if we had picked him up for 5-10 million then there wouldnt be so much scrutiny over him as a player.

Its Chelski's fault for paying 50m for Torres

 

[Neddy]

made the winner yesterday for Kuyt though, must have repaid a little bit of the price tag

I still feel he will come good, all the players talk positively, Kenny even admitted he was in no shape when he arrived and that he has is strengths but also has a lot to work on to fit the mould

The only issue is the price tag, if we had picked him up for 5-10 million then there wouldnt be so much scrutiny over him as a player.

Its Chelski's fault for paying 50m for Torres

The price tag is the issue.

The £35M they paid for him is only relevant when you consider they got £50M for Torres. Had the deal been done at another time the money involved would be much less and he'd be under far less scrutiny.

Surprised Liverpool tried this one tbh. Man City were never going to be interested in Carroll, and Tevez is a problem child (last time I checked Liverpool isn't that much closer to Argentina than Manchester!!!). All they have done is made Carroll feel unwanted which is hardly going to help him.

I still think he could be a good player for Liverpool given time.

 

[G1BB0]

I reckon its just a rumour and no truth to it. I really can't see Kenny wanting Suarez and Tevez up front as they are too similar so holds no creedence with me

 

[grizzler]

Andy Carroll wants to play kick and rush football. He wants it knocking 50 yards down the pitch for him to head down to someone else. Or thumped into the mixer in the hope that he can get on the end of something. He has the first touch of a Sunday league footballer.

I am a Liverpool fan and starting to run out of patience with him. I understood last season he was recovering from an injury so needed time to get his fitness back. Then this season starts and the same excuse is being said by the club that he is struggling to find fitness. He has now had 7 months of full time training to get his fitness back and he just never appears to get better. Yes Torres has not exactly set the world alight at Chelsea, but at least you can see the player he was a couple of years ago now and again. Carroll has never proved himself at Premier league, Europe or international level.

The bottom line for me is the money side of things. £15M for a young english striker is making a future investment. £35M is someone to come straight in and score goals. After all he cost the same as Aguero.........:mmm:

and £1m more than david villa lol. strikers are all about confidence and his is at rock bottom. think he can improve but he'll never be a £35m player. newcastle were able to hold a gun to our head as it was so late in the transfer window, the new owners at the time had to buy someone and he was the form striker at that time. wasted a lot of money in the summer especially on downing, i think we're 3 or 4 good players (and a manager) away from the top four

 

[MadAdey]

and £1m more than david villa lol. strikers are all about confidence and his is at rock bottom. think he can improve but he'll never be a £35m player. newcastle were able to hold a gun to our head as it was so late in the transfer window, the new owners at the time had to buy someone and he was the form striker at that time. wasted a lot of money in the summer especially on downing, i think we're 3 or 4 good players (and a manager) away from the top four

I agree we are a few players away from ever being able to challenge for the league. But regarding Dalgleish he has taken over a very mediocre team that needs re-building. I remember it took fergie 4 years to win anything at United. At one point I remember he was only a couple of games away from getting the boot. So to expect anyone to take over at Liverpool and get instant success is unrealistic. Looking at the team defensively they look good and when Lucas is back the midfield will be a lot stronger. So we have Gerrard and Suarez.....so in theory we only have 7 good quality players in the team.

 

[Garesfield ACE]

We will take Carroll back at Newcastle for 10 million but ONLY as a bench player as cover for Demba Ba and our new signing Papiss Cisse.

 

[A1ex]

They're not similar at all apart from size. Suarez is much more of a dribbler and creator. Tevez isn't a traditional number 9 but he's more of a central striker. Playing mainly on his own upfront for City he got 25 goals in the last two seasons.

Liverpool would give anything to have a striker like Tevez in that side. Suddenly the strike force would go from average to top class with Tevez on board.

City would get him away from the club, he'd get a platform to play well and increase his value. He'd also play against City's main rivals. The only bad thing was offering Carroll in exchange. Make it £5m loan fee plus wages and City would probably agree to that.

Liverpool would then have a chance to sneak the Top 4, given how dire Arsenal and Chelsea have been. it would be a desperate move but given how important CL football is, then it may be worth it.

 

[A1ex]

I agree we are a few players away from ever being able to challenge for the league. But regarding Dalgleish he has taken over a very mediocre team that needs re-building. I remember it took fergie 4 years to win anything at United. At one point I remember he was only a couple of games away from getting the boot. So to expect anyone to take over at Liverpool and get instant success is unrealistic. Looking at the team defensively they look good and when Lucas is back the midfield will be a lot stronger. So we have Gerrard and Suarez.....so in theory we only have 7 good quality players in the team.

Liverpool finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd and 7th under Benitez. Dalglish took over a side that apart from one season were CL regulars. The first 5 months under Hodgson were a farce and can't be seriously viewed due to the short time period. He then spent £120m and doesn't look anywhere near getting them back into the Top Four. Sadly the cups aren't financially rewarding and won't generate much money. Liverpool need CL football to move forward. In fact a club of Liverpool's reputation want to challenge and win the league, not just make fourth place.

I've got a lot of respect for Rafa Benitez and felt he was given a harsh time by fans generally. If he had been given £120m to spend in 8 months, theres no way Liverpool would be in 7th place now. He'd have them nailed on for a CL place, especially considering how bad Arsenal and Chelsea have been. Those two teams won't be as bad next season.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Liverpool finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd and 7th under Benitez. Dalglish took over a side that apart from one season were CL regulars. The first 5 months under Hodgson were a farce and can't be seriously viewed due to the short time period. He then spent £120m and doesn't look anywhere near getting them back into the Top Four. Sadly the cups aren't financially rewarding and won't generate much money. Liverpool need CL football to move forward. In fact a club of Liverpool's reputation want to challenge and win the league, not just make fourth place.

I've got a lot of respect for Rafa Benitez and felt he was given a harsh time by fans generally. If he had been given £120m to spend in 8 months, theres no way Liverpool would be in 7th place now. He'd have them nailed on for a CL place, especially considering how bad Arsenal and Chelsea have been. Those two teams won't be as bad next season.

That was the problem, when Rafa should have been backed that extra bit (after the year we finished second) was when the other yanks pulled the money and we sold Alonso, Mascherano and bought Kyrgiakos. I know rafa had spent a lot of money, but we got so close, then it all fell apart again for 2-3 years.

Still giving Dalglish time though, its hard to go from 7th to 3/4th, but 1 or 2 trophies this year will get Kenny another year, and a few more buys, which is when most LFC fans will start judging him more objectively.

Fair play A1ex, for coming back on here, after saying LFC weren't relevant a few weeks ago. You could have just hid, after the last 2 results. Much more relevant now though aren't we? Just watch though, we'll sandwich the two great results with losses at Bolton and Wolves.

 

[A1ex]

That was the problem, when Rafa should have been backed that extra bit (after the year we finished second) was when the other yanks pulled the money and we sold Alonso, Mascherano and bought Kyrgiakos. I know rafa had spent a lot of money, but we got so close, then it all fell apart again for 2-3 years.

Still giving Dalglish time though, its hard to go from 7th to 3/4th, but 1 or 2 trophies this year will get Kenny another year, and a few more buys, which is when most LFC fans will start judging him more objectively.

Fair play A1ex, for coming back on here, after saying LFC weren't relevant a few weeks ago. You could have just hid, after the last 2 results. Much more relevant now though aren't we? Just watch though, we'll sandwich the two great results with losses at Bolton and Wolves.

My relevant comment was taken out of context! It was made mainly in reference to winning leagues and being hated. You've always been a decent cup side apart from the last few years. You've done pretty much as expect, raise your game for the big teams and then struggle against the small ones.

Cardiff will be a tricky game. I fancy Chelsea or Spurs for the FA Cup. Chelsea get the plum ties and Spurs have something special this season.

A cup win will buy him time but that might not be a good thing in the long term.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I agree, not counting my chickens against Cardiff. Think we would beat Chelsea at home, not necessarily away (although have the last two meetings). I would not fancy Spurs home or away, and think it is probably right that they win one trophy this season, but hey, when has fair ever mattered in footy.

We normally always get away draws, unlike EFC and MUFC, who get loads of home ties. I think if we carry on getting them and when we get Suarez back, would still not back against us. Long way to go yet though.

No guarantees of results due to it being at Anfield, yes I remember Reading the other year (your team).