The commercial value of female golfers.

I am personally quite bored of womans golf being about number 1 them being models and posing heels and bikinis v golf

Seriously, its not appealing to me, i like SPORT, I LIKE professionals to take their sport seriously, women pro golfers are not being portrayed as sports people they are being portrayed as models who swing a club.

As a sport, all this glamour golfer crap is damaging and its just not real, how does that help womens golf AND how do they expect to be taken seriously when the cry is WE WANT EQUALITY and Check out my T and A now pay me.

Yup grumpy mood right now, i think they are more attractive when they are actually professional and properly clothed
 
I think there's a chicken and egg scenario here. The media and the players pander to the whims of social media and produce these glamour shots and it does provoke interest and discussion (as this shows). It however then distracts from their abilities as players. I'm enjoying the current coverage (live on Sky) and actually enjoy watching these ladies play and think there is a lot a club golfer can learn from the way they hit it
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It's all about her looks let's be honest - if she wasn't pretty then no one would know who she is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdSK4LcEAA4

So Lockey would have followed Park around like this??? (It was this video, posted on here a couple of months ago by somebody that first bought Paige whatshername to my attention. Hadn't a clue who she was before this)..
Sex sells Phil. Been like that since the dawn of advertising.
Some very old fashioned views on here.....
 
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Here's the crux of it, look back at the picture that started this thread...

At almost the same moment that Carly picked up that golf club on the beach and the picture was taken, Inbee Park picked up a cheque for $167, 061 for a 2nd place finish at the LPGA Lotte Championship

Nearly a year on and what are we talking about?

Inbee got her reward for a good weeks golf and Carly had a nice working holiday. Both (arguably) quite happy with their week

It's really only the lads (mostly) on here that seem to need to over analyse the situation




P.s award yourself a bonus point if you even noticed Carly was holding a club!
 
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Nobody is denying sex sells, the only people in denial are those trying to see the picture for anymore than it is.
Every hetrosexual male likes to see a pretty woman, whether that's in the flesh or a picture, but to keep using the sex sells argument shows we're not moving on as a sociery.
Can anyone honestly tell us the last time they saw a girl in a bikini holding a golf club or draped over a car and went and bought them purely on the fact the girl was attractive?
If any person male or female wishes to use their body for personal gain and it's not illegal then good on them, just let's not pretend we get anymore than mild tittilation out of it.
 
Slab said:
As if to illustrate, today's top news story for 'womens golf' on google is all about someone called Caitlyn Jenner who used to be called Bruce Jenner & had gender transition surgery and will compete in a womens golf pro-am, complete with a quote that their new fake boobs helps with putting

"And to be honest, the breasts are really good for putting. I used to put a sock under my arm to help keep my arms straight, but now I don't have to do that any more because I can hold my arms against my breasts, so it's perfect."

Couple of light-hearted thoughts:
Is this good publicity for the womens game
What do you do with the sock now
Del, the answer to your putting woes is not a bigger hole
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A couple of years ago I played in a Seniors match against a little old bald headed guy. There didn't seem to be anything remarkable about him until he stripped off for a shower in the changing room afterwards. He had the most magnificent pair of pecs, which looked rather out of proportion to the rest of him. I did rather wonder if they where implants, but if they where, it didn't seem to help his putting very much! :mmm:
 
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delc said:
A couple of years ago I played in a Seniors match against a little old bald headed guy. There didn't seem to be anything remarkable about him until he stripped off for a shower in the changing room afterwards. He had the most magnificant pair of pecs, which looked rather out of proportion to the rest of him. I did rather wonder if they where implants, but if they where, it didn't seem to help his putting very much!
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Haha. This is the greatest post of all time.

You're a one man carry on film Del.

Brilliant
 
delc said:
A couple of years ago I played in a Seniors match against a little old bald headed guy. There didn't seem to be anything remarkable about him until he stripped off for a shower in the changing room afterwards. He had the most magnificent pair of pecs, which looked rather out of proportion to the rest of him. I did rather wonder if they where implants, but if they where, it didn't seem to help his putting very much! :mmm:
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Post of the year :rofl: :rofl:
 
Also, what drives the commercial value? The Ladies prize fund for their 1st major is $2.6m; the Masters has a prize fund of $10m. Doing our best to ignore any sexist remarks, it's clear the mens game has a higher commercial value, with the men (lower ranking) generally not have to take part in commercial ventures to supplement their income; the ladies (lower ranking) on the other hand are probably tempted to supplement their lower earnings - eg Booths golf earnings on the LET in total amount to £4,761.59 this year. Ernie Else finished 74th at Bay Hill and picked up $12,285. So, is the argument (like tennis) that there should be earnings parity to remove the need for external commercial opportunities?

Incidentally, the USA (world cup winning!) Womens team are currently taking a legal case because they felt their monies was insufficient was too little in comparison to the men who reached the last 16. However, I think some (not all) of them enjoy huge commercial benefits as well.
 
rksquire said:
Also, what drives the commercial value? The Ladies prize fund for their 1st major is $2.6m; the Masters has a prize fund of $10m. Doing our best to ignore any sexist remarks, it's clear the mens game has a higher commercial value, with the men (lower ranking) generally not have to take part in commercial ventures to supplement their income; the ladies (lower ranking) on the other hand are probably tempted to supplement their lower earnings - eg Booths golf earnings on the LET in total amount to £4,761.59 this year. Ernie Else finished 74th at Bay Hill and picked up $12,285. So, is the argument (like tennis) that there should be earnings parity to remove the need for external commercial opportunities?

Incidentally, the USA (world cup winning!) Womens team are currently taking a legal case because they felt their monies was insufficient was too little in comparison to the men who reached the last 16. However, I think some (not all) of them enjoy huge commercial benefits as well.
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In the real world it's about how much tournament sponsors are prepared to commit, TV money, and how many spectators come through the gate. Most years I go to Wentworth to watch the Male golfers and The Buckinghamshire to watch the Ladies. There are alway far more spectators paying more money to watch the former. It also gets far more TV coverage! :mmm:
 
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I think that this is the point, the prize money has to come from somewhere and if the sponsors, tv revenue and gate receipts are not there to pay more then there will never be parity.

Tennis is different in that there are combined tournaments such as Wimbledon. There the sponsors pay for the combined tournament and the TV rights are also for the tournament as a whole. In such circumstances there can be an even split of prize money.
 
GB72 said:
I think that this is the point, the prize money has to come from somewhere and if the sponsors, tv revenue and gate receipts are not there to pay more then there will never be parity.

Tennis is different in that there are combined tournaments such as Wimbledon. There the sponsors pay for the combined tournament and the TV rights are also for the tournament as a whole. In such circumstances there can be an even split of prize money.
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Having said what I said, I believe that Ladies Golf deserves to get more coverage and sponsorship than it gets at the moment. The lady golfers are always nicely turned out and unfailingly polite, with non of the temper tantrums, club throwing and spitting you see on the Mens' circuit. I suppose the biggest problem is that the majority of club golfers and golfers in general are men!
 
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pauldj42 said:
Nobody is denying sex sells, the only people in denial are those trying to see the picture for anymore than it is.
Every hetrosexual male likes to see a pretty woman, whether that's in the flesh or a picture, but to keep using the sex sells argument shows we're not moving on as a sociery.
Can anyone honestly tell us the last time they saw a girl in a bikini holding a golf club or draped over a car and went and bought them purely on the fact the girl was attractive?
If any person male or female wishes to use their body for personal gain and it's not illegal then good on them, just let's not pretend we get anymore than mild tittilation out of it.
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Google Bill Hicks on Advertising. His idea for an advert for Coke was brilliant. I would not touch the stuff normally but if his campaign got off the ground, I think I might be tempted. :)

Other than that, your post seems like a massive contradiction.
 
Snelly said:
Google Bill Hicks on Advertising. His idea for an advert for Coke was brilliant. I would not touch the stuff normally but if his campaign got off the ground, I think I might be tempted. :)

Other than that, your post seems like a massive contradiction.
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Yep, sales of coke would go through the roof,😃
I take your point on my post, it just seems that most are saying they see no issue with any athlete modelling to make money and raise their profile when put in simplistic terms, what is being missed is, no one has said sex doesn't sell it's the fact if you've got talent but not the looks then you lose out to the pretty talentless ones.
In this day and age I find it sad and it would be nice if the people who we see being paid to advertise these products had a bit of credibility rather than just looks.
 
pauldj42 said:
Yep, sales of coke would go through the roof,😃
I take your point on my post, it just seems that most are saying they see no issue with any athlete modelling to make money and raise their profile when put in simplistic terms, what is being missed is, no one has said sex doesn't sell it's the fact if you've got talent but not the looks then you lose out to the pretty talentless ones.
In this day and age I find it sad and it would be nice if the people who we see being paid to advertise these products had a bit of credibility rather than just looks.
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World No 2 Inbee Park is not one of the best looking girls on the circuit, but might be if she lost a bit of weight. However, would this affect her golfing ability? Carly Booth was a pretty good golfer as a very slightly podgy teenager, but seems to have gone downhill ever since hitting the gym to get a perfect female body. I believe that Laura Davies once lost a lot of weight and experienced a dip in form as a result. So looks versus ability might be a bit of an issue for lady golfers!
 
delc said:
World No 2 Inbee Park is not one of the best looking girls on the circuit, but might be if she lost a bit of weight. However, would this affect her golfing ability? Carly Booth was a pretty good golfer as a very slightly podgy teenager, but seems to have gone downhill ever since hitting the gym to get a perfect female body. I believe that Laura Davies once lost a lot of weight and experienced a dip in form as a result. So looks versus ability might be a bit of an issue for lady golfers!
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Really ?!! Based on a couple of golfers ?

What about Wie , Creamer , Hull , Petterson , Norquist plus other ladies that are very good golfers but also attractive.
 
delc said:
World No 2 Inbee Park is not one of the best looking girls on the circuit, but might be if she lost a bit of weight. However, would this affect her golfing ability? Carly Booth was a pretty good golfer as a very slightly podgy teenager, but seems to have gone downhill ever since hitting the gym to get a perfect female body. I believe that Laura Davies once lost a lot of weight and experienced a dip in form as a result. So looks versus ability might be a bit of an issue for lady golfers!
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Delc, the gift that just keeps giving.😃
 
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