The Case For Trident

[Duckster]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ar-weapons-systems/ar-BBq3wIg?ocid=spartandhp

Slightly worrying.

So all it would take is for one of the highly vetted personnel just happens to work on the boat to carry a bomb on board.

Yet another case of bad journalism.

I know people who've been on Vanguard, Astute and also HMS Daring and they are anything but easy to get even close, nevermind on to. A fake ID simply doesn't cut the mustard.

 

[Grogger]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ar-weapons-systems/ar-BBq3wIg?ocid=spartandhp

Slightly worrying.

Security got ramped up round the Dockyards a few years ago due to it being slightly lax to say the least. I got in by showing a piece of chicken from a well known fast food chain a few years ago.

If you manage to get through the gate with a fake ID you still have extremely little chance of getting onto one of the ships or subs. I met McNeilly the whistleblower last year whilst he was in transit before being booted out. Strange chap to say the least. But then I suppose you have to be to want to spend time on a submarine??

 

[SocketRocket]

Security got ramped up round the Dockyards a few years ago due to it being slightly lax to say the least. I got in by showing a piece of chicken from a well known fast food chain a few years ago.

If you manage to get through the gate with a fake ID you still have extremely little chance of getting onto one of the ships or subs. I met McNeilly the whistleblower last year whilst he was in transit before being booted out. Strange chap to say the least. But then I suppose you have to be to want to spend time on a submarine??

You have to be a little strange to want to spend time over it, but to be under it???

 

[Grogger]

You have to be a little strange to want to spend time over it, but to be under it???

Never understood the attraction to the submarine service either!!

 

[SocketRocket]

Never understood the attraction to the submarine service either!!

Few quid a day and pirate rig. So i'm informed.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Another case supporting an obsolete Trident.
How many £Trillions will Westminster spend on it only for it to be detected by cheap to manufacture drones.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ident-submarines-mps-to-be-told-a6900486.html

 

[delc]

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm glad we've got them and am convinced that their existence, however you look at it, is the reason we are still here.

No one can win with Nuclear weapons which is probably why they haven't been deployed and used in any of the wars or conflicts since the first fateful use way back in 1945.

A necessary evil that maintains the scales in a balanced position IMO.

The saying used to be "Talk quietly but carry a big stick". Trident is our big stick, but we don't seem to have many small sticks any more! Huge cuts to our armed forces, aircraft carriers without any aircraft and then aircraft with no carriers (unless we borrow one from the French). You couldn't make it up!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The saying used to be "Talk quietly but carry a big stick". Trident is our big stick, but we don't seem to have many small sticks any more! Huge cuts to our armed forces, aircraft carriers without any aircraft and then aircraft with no carriers (unless we borrow one from the French). You couldn't make it up!

....and according to what the UK defense minister said recently, the big stick makes the UK a target for an even bigger stick.

 

[delc]

....and according to what the UK defense minister said recently, the big stick makes the UK a target for an even bigger stick.

I went to a lecture last night by a young man who is a RN fast jet flyer and has been on loan to the US Navy carrier fleet for the last 3 years, to get experience for when we do have aircraft carriers again. Launching from and landing on a carrier in a fast jet looks pretty hairy stuff. The steam catapault launch is 0-180 mph in 3 seconds, and the landing area looks smaller than a postage stamp on the approach to landing. They also have to allow for the fact that the carrier is moving away from them at up to 30 knots, so they have to aim at a point in front of the deck. Apparently the US view is that manned aircraft will eventually be replaced by drones for actual combat.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The saying used to be "Talk quietly but carry a big stick". Trident is our big stick, but we don't seem to have many small sticks any more! Huge cuts to our armed forces, aircraft carriers without any aircraft and then aircraft with no carriers (unless we borrow one from the French). You couldn't make it up!

Not a massive need for carriers at the moment anyway

 

[delc]

Not a massive need for carriers at the moment anyway

They are apparently a very good fast deployment force for areas where there are no friendly countries around where you could base land based aircraft and forces. Their surveillance aircraft can also carry out anti-submarine duties.

 

[Hobbit]

Not a massive need for carriers at the moment anyway

Appreciate its a different platform, and weapon, but if there's no massive need for a carrier there's even less need for Trident.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They are apparently a very good fast deployment force for areas where there are no friendly countries around where you could base land based aircraft and forces. Their surveillance aircraft can also carry out anti-submarine duties.

And with the amount of bases around the world we can fly from its prob quicker to get to most places with heavy lift AC

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Appreciate its a different platform, and weapon, but if there's no massive need for a carrier there's even less need for Trident.

The no massive need for the carrier is because of the ability of most Air Forces to deploy from vast distances as opposed to being parked out at sea close.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The no massive need for the carrier is because of the ability of most Air Forces to deploy from vast distances as opposed to being parked out at sea close.

The parked out at sea close gives us consistent presence and the ability to react quickly and for humanitarian reasons, it may not be be possible to get heavy aircraft in, personally I believe we need both the Heavy lift and the Aircraft Carrier option to give us flexibility and trident as a deterrent.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The parked out at sea close gives us consistent presence and the ability to react quickly and for humanitarian reasons, it may not be be possible to get heavy aircraft in, personally I believe we need both the Heavy lift and the Aircraft Carrier option to give us flexibility and trident as a deterrent.

Oh don't get me wrong - having the carrier is very useful and does help IRT

 

[delc]

And with the amount of bases around the world we can fly from its prob quicker to get to most places with heavy lift AC

That sort of assumes that there is a friendly country (not many of those left) or a safe area to land nearby to the conflict zone!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That sort of assumes that there is a friendly country (not many of those left) or a safe area to land nearby to the conflict zone!

I think it's a pretty safe assumption don't you as we seem to be able to fly the current conflict zones with no issues

And there are plenty friendly countries left - in fact a damn sight more than unfriendly ones.

 

[delc]

I think it's a pretty safe assumption don't you as we seem to be able to fly the current conflict zones with no issues

And there are plenty friendly countries left - in fact a damn sight more than unfriendly ones.

Can you name some friendly countries then, particularly Islamic ones in the Middle-East?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Can you name some friendly countries then, particularly Islamic ones in the Middle-East?

Are you really going to go there Delc ?

May I suggest you don't follow the line of subject you are doing right now because it's only going to go one way.