rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
It's not often I agree with SR, we are pretty much diametrically opposed on a lot of things, but he has a prefect right to express his opinion, even if I disagree with it.
The brilliant NHS
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It's not often I agree with SR, we are pretty much diametrically opposed on a lot of things, but he has a prefect right to express his opinion, even if I disagree with it.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Before this conversation falls down into a black hole, I think almost everyone agrees that we are very lucky to have the NHS as a free at point of use service. I've had cause to use it a few times, and they have been terrific. The staff, the service, I am extremely grateful to have it and, even now I'm over 60, I've never had to worry about paying to see a doctor.
Yes, there are issues. Yes, there is abuse of the system and yes, some of the bureaucracy is incredibly frustrating. As a supplier to the NHS I see it.
But.... So many people would be lost without it. Long may it continue.
Yes, there are issues. Yes, there is abuse of the system and yes, some of the bureaucracy is incredibly frustrating. As a supplier to the NHS I see it.
But.... So many people would be lost without it. Long may it continue.
bobmac
Major Champion
Not aimed at anyone in particular.
I didn't say the NHS was perfect in every way.
It was a positive post (and we need them at the moment) about how IN THIS INSTANCE, the staff acted quickly, professionally and flawlessly in saving my brothers life.
I'm out
I didn't say the NHS was perfect in every way.
It was a positive post (and we need them at the moment) about how IN THIS INSTANCE, the staff acted quickly, professionally and flawlessly in saving my brothers life.
I'm out
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Late to the thread but thats awesome Bob! Glad to hear your brother is doing well and back home safely recovering. Amazing NHS.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Bob, no one is being critical of you, it's great that you're Brother was treated so well
I commented on the NHS as it had opened up into a discussion about the organisation. Any comments about it were not intended to detract from your OP.
Kellfire
Blackballed
Must agree with SR and others here. His points are well put and well intentioned. I think sometimes moderators are too quick to insist that conversations don’t develop on this forum and adhere rigidly to the title of the thread. I find that is unnatural and doesn’t allow for proper discourse.
The Dog.
Active member
I am delighted Bobmac's brother is being looked after - great news for you and your family.
But I would like to support Socket Rocket too. What kind of forum is this? An echo chamber like Twitter? A free speech vacuum like Facebook? You can only post if you have the right opinion? Big tech becoming big brother is affecting everything and it would seem it's jackboot of influence even reaches to a little golfing forum! Quite amazing.
And in my view, the NHS is full of wonderful front line superstars but as an organisation, is entirely unfit for purpose in a multitude of ways, not least in the overall health outcomes relative to similar western countries. It deserves to be broken up but no government would be able to do this as it has become a quasi religion and it's preservation is sacrosanct.
I will start another thread on this as requested though.
But I would like to support Socket Rocket too. What kind of forum is this? An echo chamber like Twitter? A free speech vacuum like Facebook? You can only post if you have the right opinion? Big tech becoming big brother is affecting everything and it would seem it's jackboot of influence even reaches to a little golfing forum! Quite amazing.
And in my view, the NHS is full of wonderful front line superstars but as an organisation, is entirely unfit for purpose in a multitude of ways, not least in the overall health outcomes relative to similar western countries. It deserves to be broken up but no government would be able to do this as it has become a quasi religion and it's preservation is sacrosanct.
I will start another thread on this as requested though.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Over 20 posts on the other new thread since anyone posted here. Just read them all. Tedious mind-numbing stuff.
Can we get back on track?
How's your brother feeling today?
Is he due for any further check-ups or treatment?
(Hope I'm not on ignore, Bob)
Can we get back on track?
How's your brother feeling today?
Is he due for any further check-ups or treatment?
(Hope I'm not on ignore, Bob)
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
Chuffed to bits for your brother.
When I worked at Me last pit a guy had a heart attack. Surgeon told him point blank, stop smoking. He didn’t, anyway he had a stent fitted and was as fit as a butchers dog. Yet he was adamant the grim reaper was following him everywhere. He had got it in his head he was dying. He went for “ ill health” which for some was the golden ticket to retirement. To finish on Ill health you really need a letter of support from your consultant/ surgeon. When he approached his consultant he was basically told to do one. He was told the stent had given him a new life and not to sit on his jacksy feeling sorry for himself.
He had nearly a year off work, it cost him tens of thousands and was told get back to work or your sacked.
I should think your brother will have a new lease of life thanks to the NHS. ?
When I worked at Me last pit a guy had a heart attack. Surgeon told him point blank, stop smoking. He didn’t, anyway he had a stent fitted and was as fit as a butchers dog. Yet he was adamant the grim reaper was following him everywhere. He had got it in his head he was dying. He went for “ ill health” which for some was the golden ticket to retirement. To finish on Ill health you really need a letter of support from your consultant/ surgeon. When he approached his consultant he was basically told to do one. He was told the stent had given him a new life and not to sit on his jacksy feeling sorry for himself.
He had nearly a year off work, it cost him tens of thousands and was told get back to work or your sacked.
I should think your brother will have a new lease of life thanks to the NHS. ?
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Can I disagree with your comment on procurement? I worked with procurement, both as an employee and as a supplier, for 30 years. It was horrendous but has improved dramatically, and continues to improve.
Believe all the hype and negativity if you wish but believe me the vast majority of a very tight budget is spent very wisely. They spend millions a day…. Not a lot is wasted.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
A good valid point you have there. Procurement stuff is on the other thread now, though.
Kellfire
Blackballed
Also, and this is from a limited experience of that side of the organisation so may not be something you agree with, but I’ve been told the ever shifting nature and day to day variations in the NHS mean that procurement is very difficult because a lot of it is trying to second guess health trends. And in the last year, that’s a far from enviable position to be in!
cliveb
Head Pro
When you think about it, the NHS is a perfect example of communism working well.
It's paid for by taxing those with the means to contribute, and delivers to everyone what they need.
For emergencies and life-threatening conditions, the NHS is absolutely world-class.
(My personal experience of this is that a close family member relies on a very expensive drug to keep him alive, and without the NHS it just wouldn't happen).
It's paid for by taxing those with the means to contribute, and delivers to everyone what they need.
For emergencies and life-threatening conditions, the NHS is absolutely world-class.
(My personal experience of this is that a close family member relies on a very expensive drug to keep him alive, and without the NHS it just wouldn't happen).
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course you can disagree. I am aware there has been a degree of ownership regarding the historic problems and inefficienties with NHS Procurement and there has been agreement on the fact that it needs to be improved. I read some work has been carried out in this respect but it appears there is still a long way to go, why did it ever get so bad?
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
I agree with this 100%, last year my wife woke up with jaundice, two weeks later she was having a super emergency liver transplant in the Royal Free Hospital. The care from the staff and the quality of treatment was outstanding, and the aftercare is excellent… the 12th floor of the Royal Free is for private patients from around the world who pay to get the same treatment my wife received. Apparently the cost can be in the tens of thousands and all they get better than my wife is better food!
This is what it excels at. Waiting lists for more “mundane” procedures should probably be for the other thread.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
It's excellent in emergencies and treatment of critical conditions, no doubt about it. My Son in Law had an operation to remove a malignant tumor from his face recently, it was a five hour op and seemed to go well. He was sent home the next morning with a drain attached to the scar. A day later his face became badly swollen so he was taken into A&E, after a four hour wait he was put in a chair with a IV drip in his arm, as there was no bed he remained in the chair for another 12 hours , He was then eventually given a bed. it's not great in many other cases, trying to see or even have a telephone consultation with a GP is now getting dire, recently I called the surgery to be informed I was 22nd in a queue to speak to the receptionist, when I got through I was told to ring up at 8:0 am the next day for an appointment, I rang right on 8:0 am to be told I was No 14 in the queue to speak to a receptionist, I eventually got through 40 minutes later to be told there were no appointments left that day but to call at 8:0 am the next day. And they say we should report health concerns quickly. As I said previously, it was easier to see a doctor 50 years ago. The NHS needs to be better, OK maybe we need to pay more for it but in my experience it's not getting better in many areas.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Thread title:
The brilliant NHS
I had my second Covid jab in April. Older brother in Australia not had his first one yet.
Vaccine roll out in the UK, brilliant.
The whole concept of NHS is brilliant. Well done OP.
The brilliant NHS
I had my second Covid jab in April. Older brother in Australia not had his first one yet.
Vaccine roll out in the UK, brilliant.
The whole concept of NHS is brilliant. Well done OP.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Timely...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57395232
btw. For any who do or might consider that they would prefer to have a system more like the US where private health cover provides for the best options and care, consider the cost of private health care. My Mrs has private medical cover as there are some aspects of her existing condition and some aspects of any further diagnosis and treatment that are better served, especially in the present circumstances, by having the Private option. It costs her £300 a month...
For us this is a lot of money but being an experienced professional in the field of her own condition she knows why she wants to have it. But she also knows that the NHS is ahead of, and better than, the private sector in providing the best options for most aspects of any future treatment and care she might require.
Long live the NHS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57395232
btw. For any who do or might consider that they would prefer to have a system more like the US where private health cover provides for the best options and care, consider the cost of private health care. My Mrs has private medical cover as there are some aspects of her existing condition and some aspects of any further diagnosis and treatment that are better served, especially in the present circumstances, by having the Private option. It costs her £300 a month...
For us this is a lot of money but being an experienced professional in the field of her own condition she knows why she wants to have it. But she also knows that the NHS is ahead of, and better than, the private sector in providing the best options for most aspects of any future treatment and care she might require.
Long live the NHS.
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
So pleased for your brother Bobmac and you of course and it is refreshing that he has received such excellent service from our NHS
How is he now ? Please wish him a speedy recovery from I, somebody he has never met and highly unlikely to meet.
How is he now ? Please wish him a speedy recovery from I, somebody he has never met and highly unlikely to meet.
Fade and Die
Medal Winner
A reply in two half’s…. I’m glad your son in law is now ok, complications post op are unpredictable and scary, my wife developed biliary sepsis post op and was in ICU for nearly a week. (Most terrifying time of my life tbh) but whenever I phoned icu a nurse would answer her phone and let me know her condition, and doctors and surgeons would call me to give me updates. As I said, World Class care.
My reply to the 2nd part of your post I will put on the other thread.
