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Liverpoolphil said:
Well the G series is on a yearly cycle now and understand the Titleist Drivers will be as well

The R1 wasn't marketed as "longer" than the rest it's was having one driver to fit all with it's adjustability.

Do you work in the driver design and build ?

Maybe TM are far more advanced than anyone else - the Pro's seem to agree as they are the number one driver on tour with even other manufacturer staff players choosing their driver over others

So what is it exactly they are doing that upsets you and other so much yet the pros seem to love
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Don't give me that no.1 on tour flannel. They are number 1 on tour because they do a driver only deal for players who don't have driver in their main equipment deal. They do this so they can be no.1 on tour and market as such.

Their equipment is great I'm sure. I don't particularly have any issue with their product cycle or marketing, but lets understand what's behind it.
 
Gareth said:
They aren't doing anything to upset me :mad:



Are you a rep for Taylormade or perhaps and accredited fitter?

Edit: Actually, I've just noticed you have a bag full of TM. Now I see why you're so defensive.
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And you have a bag with no TM so I can see why you are so negative towards them

The thing is you don't see people who use TM slating any other manufacturers on what they do - because they don't really care

Where as non TM players seem to get very bothered when a new piece of equipment is released - you are going to use it so why get bothered by it.
 
Stuey01 said:
Don't give me that no.1 on tour flannel. They are number 1 on tour because they do a driver only deal for players who don't have driver in their main equipment deal. They do this so they can be no.1 on tour and market as such.

Their equipment is great I'm sure. I don't particularly have any issue with their product cycle or marketing, but lets understand what's behind it.
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So why do players not pick other drivers to match their set ?

Why did Donald go to TM and not Mizuno ?

Stenson instead of Calloway - same with Mickleson ?

They do Driver deals because there is a demand for it.
 
HawkeyeMS said:
And you say possibly a 3rd coming soon? Out of interest, would you normally change a couple of times a year?
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A 3rd because I'm possibly changing my shaft on my R1

I change when I find something that is worth changing

Tried the SLDR and it wasn't worth me changing
 
Stuey01 said:
Don't give me that no.1 on tour flannel. They are number 1 on tour because they do a driver only deal for players who don't have driver in their main equipment deal. They do this so they can be no.1 on tour and market as such.

Their equipment is great I'm sure. I don't particularly have any issue with their product cycle or marketing, but lets understand what's behind it.
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To be fair, and I can't believe I am about to "defend" TM, but there has to be a reason why Non-staffers choose their drivers. The same way that a lot of Non-staffers use Scotty Cameron putters. I don't particularly like their marketing, but the R9 was a great driver and they must make decent kit if so many pro's use them.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So why do players not pick other drivers to match their set ?

Why did Donald go to TM and not Mizuno ?

Stenson instead of Calloway - same with Mickleson ?

They do Driver deals because there is a demand for it.
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Mickelson is a club-ho of the highest order and has a very flexible deal with Callaway. And has had Callaway drivers in his bag this year. What he is using at any particular time is not much of a barometer.

TM got in early on the no.1 on tour thing and signed up a load of players, thy don't even require that they use a TM headcover (see Donald) because the visibility isn't important, just the numbers because they can then claim no.1 on tour.

Look at the lower ranked tour players and you will see a lot of titleist balls and taylormade drivers. It's because they get ball only and driver only deals so titleist and TM can make their no.1 on tour claims. These guys are not marquee players for any brand so for them it's about maximising their income.

Because they got in early on this and stole a march there is little point others trying to do the same thing because the mountain is now too high to climb, it's a lot of players that need to be bought out of contracts or signed up at the end of deals over a long time.

I'm not saying they don't have a good product that performs at least as well as others. And when it does perform as well (maybe even a little better) as others and the pros can get more money for using it why wouldn't they...
 
HawkeyeMS said:
To be fair, and I can't believe I am about to "defend" TM, but there has to be a reason why Non-staffers choose their drivers. The same way that a lot of Non-staffers use Scotty Cameron putters. I don't particularly like their marketing, but the R9 was a great driver and they must make decent kit if so many pro's use them.
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Which is, of course, exactly what they want you to think.
 
Stuey01 said:
Mickelson is a club-ho of the highest order and has a very flexible deal with Callaway. And has had Callaway drivers in his bag this year. What he is using at any particular time is not much of a barometer.

TM got in early on the no.1 on tour thing and signed up a load of players, thy don't even require that they use a TM headcover (see Donald) because the visibility isn't important, just the numbers because they can then claim no.1 on tour.

Look at the lower ranked tour players and you will see a lot of titleist balls and taylormade drivers. It's because they get ball only and driver only deals so titleist and TM can make their no.1 on tour claims. These guys are not marquee players for any brand so for them it's about maximising their income.

Because they got in early on this and stole a march there is little point others trying to do the same thing because the mountain is now too high to climb, it's a lot of players that need to be bought out of contracts or signed up at the end of deals over a long time.

I'm not saying they don't have a good product that performs at least as well as others. And when it does perform as well (maybe even a little better) as others and the pros can get more money for using it why wouldn't they...
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Donald is one of the best ball strikers in the world - and he picks a TM driver - and you think it's not because it's the best driver and it's not about performance for him !!

The Pros need the best equipment they can get to give them the best performance possible.

More pros pick TM drivers because for them it's the best driver they can get their hands on.

You can't argue with facts - the pros get to pick and they pick TM more than others in terms of drivers and Titleist in terms of balls. You can try and find any excuse possible for that but it's facts that can't be denied.
 
Yawn.TM release new clubs shocker!

Yawn. TM get slated for making money!

Interesting. When are they having a comp to get fitted? mine are out of date... :whistle:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Donald is one of the best ball strikers in the world - and he picks a TM driver - and you think it's not because it's the best driver and it's not about performance for him !!

The Pros need the best equipment they can get to give them the best performance possible.

More pros pick TM drivers because for them it's the best driver they can get their hands on.

You can't argue with facts - the pros get to pick and they pick TM more than others in terms of drivers and Titleist in terms of balls. You can try and find any excuse possible for that but it's facts that can't be denied.
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Hook, line and sinker. Marketers dream.
Donald is, for a pro, a poor driver of the golf ball. Should we blame his TM driver? (that he is paid to play), of course not.

The irony of this whole argument is that I'm not even anti-TM. Look beyond the marketing and they make good kit. But please do look beyond the marketing.
 
Stuey, where did you get all that info on what TM do with their player contracts, and their strategy for signing pro's? Seems like an awful lot of information that strictly speaking wouldn't have come straight from TM.

Always seems to be a lot of info around about player contracts etc that simply can't be verified, and so impossible for people to refute, and so almost becomes reality.
 
Stuey01 said:
Hook, line and sinker. Marketers dream.
Donald is, for a pro, a poor driver of the golf ball. Should we blame his TM driver? (that he is paid to play), of course not.

The irony of this whole argument is that I'm not even anti-TM. Look beyond the marketing and they make good kit. But please do look beyond the marketing.
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:lol:

Trust me I don't give a flying monkeys about marketing or what they say - I'm old enough to make up my own mind. No one has been sucked in but I know facts when I see it.

I can judge for myself golf clubs when I put them in my hand - regardless of any marketing they produce.

But I do know they produce one of the best drivers on the market and that's why they are picked by more pros than other drivers and that's nothing to do with marketing,
 
I've picked up bits and bobs from other forums that have a lot more info on this stuff, and also got some info from the ping tour truck guys when I was on the GM/ping putter fitting earlier this year.
I don't have any direct sources to TM.
 
Stuey01 said:
I've picked up bits and bobs from other forums that have a lot more info on this stuff, and also got some info from the ping tour truck guys when I was on the GM/ping putter fitting earlier this year.
I don't have any direct sources to TM.
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So your get your info about TM players from another forum and the Ping Tour Truck :lol:

The last part of your statement is the crucial part

"I don't have any direct sources to TM"
 
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