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Taylormade : Jetspeed

Mickelson is a world renowned club tinkerer. Will the taylormade be a worse club when he switches back to a Callaway in a few weeks, or drops the driver from his bag altogether? of course not.
He's really not a good example.
 
Gareth said:
Post #108 refers to players being endorsed to use TM clubs.

Post #120 refers to the quality of the club. I.E Would they use it if it wasn't any good?

What's not clear?
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Post 108 was In response to me asking about players like Mickleson switching to an SLDR driver and is it just about the money and post 108 was your response - seems clear your answer.
 
Stuey01 said:
Mickelson is a world renowned club tinkerer. Will the taylormade be a worse club when he switches back to a Callaway in a few weeks, or drops the driver from his bag altogether? of course not.
He's really not a good example.
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Why ? Because it doesn't suit your argument ?

He isn't endorsed to play them but still decided too.
 
it was only a few months ago that Phil was orgasmic (I choose that word carefully) about the Callaway driver which almost singlehandedly won him the tournament (forgotten which one), he went on and on about it so much it was getting embarrassing. Does he still use it now :rolleyes:
 
CMAC said:
it was only a few months ago that Phil was orgasmic (I choose that word carefully) about the Callaway driver which almost singlehandedly won him the tournament (forgotten which one), he went on and on about it so much it was getting embarrassing. Does he still use it now :rolleyes:
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It was the waste management open in Phoenix earlier this year.

He also had a TM RBZ 3 wood in his bag for a while this year, then replaced it with the Callaway 3 deep.

So is the Callaway better than the TM? Or should we just not read too much into what Mickelson puts in his bag as he changes so much?

No doubt that, at the moment, or at least for the presidents cup, Phil Mickelson believed that the best driver on the market for him at that point was the SLDR.

If the argument is that Phil Mickelson uses it and isn't paid to therefore it's the best, then what is the argument going to be when he inevitably switches away from it? as he consistently does with all his drivers (and 3 woods).
 
Stuey01 said:
It was the waste management open in Phoenix earlier this year.

He also had a TM RBZ 3 wood in his bag for a while this year, then replaced it with the Callaway 3 deep.

So is the Callaway better than the TM? Or should we just not read too much into what Mickelson puts in his bag as he changes so much?

No doubt that, at the moment, or at least for the presidents cup, Phil Mickelson believed that the best driver on the market for him at that point was the SLDR.

If the argument is that Phil Mickelson uses it and isn't paid to therefore it's the best, then what is the argument going to be when he inevitably switches away from it? as he consistently does with all his drivers (and 3 woods).
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No the argument is it's not always about the money and marketing as opposed to being about the clubs performance.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Post 108 was In response to me asking about players like Mickleson switching to an SLDR driver and is it just about the money and post 108 was your response - seems clear your answer.
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Point being, you still haven't proved me wrong :D

I worded my answer in post 108 very carefully as you nor I will never know whether money changed hands to get Mickleson to use the SLDR driver. Anything either way is simply conjecture.

In any case, saying "It's not all about the money" when it comes to Mickleson has it's flaws:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2013/01/20/humana-challenge-phil-mickelson-taxes/1850265/

It's the same with Luke Donald either way it would be a guess, but when the CEO of Taylormade comes out and makes a statement as worded in my previous post(s) regarding the size of the endorsements paid to players to use woods, it has me coming down on the "Paid to use" side of the fence.
 
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Most of this debate is just going round in circles.
Regardless of the quality of TM products, regardless of who pays to play them or is paid to play them, there is a significant number of people who are being turned off the brand due to their agressive marketing and release policies.
That is a bottom line to this.
Yes there are many who love it and will continue to, but many don't and that is the point that is being put across.
 
Gareth said:
Point being, you still haven't proved me wrong :D

I worded my answer in post 108 very carefully as you nor I will never know whether money changed hands to get Mickleson to use the SLDR driver. Anything either way is simply conjecture.

In any case, saying "It's not all about the money" when it comes to Mickleson ha sit's flaws:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2013/01/20/humana-challenge-phil-mickelson-taxes/1850265/

It's the same with Luke Donald either way it would be a guess, but when the CEO of Taylormade comes out and makes a statement as worded in my previous post(s) regarding the size of the endorsements paid to player to use woods, it has me coming down on the "Paid to use" side of the fence.
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I can take a very accurate wild guess that no money changed hands - hence why TM were flattered and why it was painted to make out it wasn't a TM. If they paid for him to use then I would expect TM would want the whole world to see he used it.

But it's all about opinions and you have yours and I have mine.
 
Imurg said:
Most of this debate is just going round in circles.
Regardless of the quality of TM products, regardless of who pays to play them or is paid to play them, there is a significant number of people who are being turned off the brand due to their agressive marketing and release policies.
That is a bottom line to this.
Yes there are many who love it and will continue to, but many don't and that is the point that is being put across.
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And I would suggest to those people to ignore the marketing and how they are released and concentrate on the club itself

But I guess that's too hard for some to do -( not sure why really ) because then they wouldn't have anything to complain about I'm regards TM

Will be interesting to see how Ping market all their clubs next year - will expect the same overreaction to their marketing plot when they post up how much better their club is than other models - same with Nike.
 
I would suggest that whether or not Phil Mickelson was paid or not to use the SLDR has the square root of naff all to do with whether TM is the no.1 driver on tour because they paid the most people to use it or because it is so much better than everyone else's club that everyone just chose to use it for performance reasons alone.
 
Stuey01 said:
I would suggest that whether or not Phil Mickelson was paid or not to use the SLDR has the square root of naff all to do with whether TM is the no.1 driver on tour because they paid the most people to use it or because it is so much better than everyone else's club that everyone just chose to use it for performance reasons alone.
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Suggest away - I'll agree to differ.
 
Gareth said:
Can I just ask.....



Would your opinion be different if the above statement wasn't the case?

Just curious.
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No different at all - thankfully I can think for myself and judge each club on its merit and not by any marketing or release hype
 
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