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Let's be honest as soon as TM release a new club you get the same posts on here from the same people. Pretty sure they copy & paste them in the hope of been funny.
I don't believe all the hype that's why I don't swap & change every 2minutes,but TM do make good clubs. It's not like they're making any one upgrade.
Rant over :temper:
 
therod said:
I see you've got a bag full of TM, and obviously a fan.

Have you checked the loft and lie on your irons. I've heard their build quality on the iron specs is questionable. The lofts & lies are often not as spec'd
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care to share your source? or is it pub hearsay?
 
I've always been happy with the quality of any TM stuff I've had. The R9 was a cracking driver. Like most however I am tired of the endless drivel they spout when they bring out new clubs.
 
No problems with my tour truck built set... The brand gets bashed because of the marketing and frequency of product releases.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Let's be honest as soon as TM release a new club you get the same posts on here from the same people. Pretty sure they copy & paste them in the hope of been funny.
I don't believe all the hype that's why I don't swap & change every 2minutes,but TM do make good clubs. It's not like they're making any one upgrade.
Rant over :temper:
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True! I think it is more about people's own hang ups or prejudices, whether it be Taylor Made or another manufacturer.

How many releases have Ping and Callaway had this year?
 
From a personal point of view I've tried a few of TM clubs and don't get on with them. I don't like the excessive hype from then, or any other manufacturer, and I think the names on the clubs these days are aimed at the younger player.
If I tried a TM club and it works I wouldn't rule it out as a potential purchase.
 
There's a big difference between "release" and "replace".
Ping have released a lot of product this year but it is all to supercede kit that has been around for 18 months at least.
G10 - G15 - G20 - G25 ( read the same for i series) all have a life cycle of 18 months.
RBZ, Rocketbladez, Speedblade - virtually direct replacements but all within the same 18 month window

This, rightly or wrongly, is the perception of TM - and to be honest Callaway are chasing them hard
 
TM used to make great clubs. They just didn't release one every fortnight. The original metal woods, the 300 series irons, R510TP driver and others were genuine innovations and/or great products. They probably make some great clubs now too, but you can't tell which are great and which are just a tarted up version of the last one. Some are clearly nearly warmed up versions which they had in their back pocket already at the time of launch of the previous one. They also appear to have a genuine ability to innovate.

I think part of it is that they have decided to drive the market by brute force. Other manufacturers have publicly stated their reluctant compliance with the expectations now set in the market for a shorter product cycle.

The other element is that people who buy the latest driver for £300 find it worth £120 on the second hand market a short time later. OK, nobody is forced to buy, but many think it is an act of bad faith on TM's part.

The other thing is their challenges to the R&A and USGA. TM have publicly stated their unhappiness at being ruled by these organisations and it is widely rumoured they plan to defy the ruling bodies with a line of non-conforming equipment.

All in all, they seem to show a degree of contempt for the customer. A company with TM's innovation but Mizuno's regard for the customer would be great.
 
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therod said:
Have you checked the loft and lie on your irons. I've heard their build quality on the iron specs is questionable. The lofts & lies are often not as spec'd
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This applies to most OEMs. Ping are probably the exception as theirs are 'custom built' - though that doesn't mean shafts are truly matched.

My set of Mizunos was spot on except for 1 club that was miles out - apparently fairly typical. When lofts/lies (and swing weights) were all set the same that club went from being my most hated to my favourite!
 
Foxholer said:
This applies to most OEMs. Ping are probably the exception as theirs are 'custom built' - though that doesn't mean shafts are truly matched.

My set of Mizunos was spot on except for 1 club that was miles out - apparently fairly typical. When lofts/lies (and swing weights) were all set the same that club went from being my most hated to my favourite!
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Actually Ping is notorious for their driver lofts being off more than most of the other brands. A couple of degrees usually, always more lofted.
 
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Foxholer said:
This chart would indicate Ping isn't the worst. http://www.mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-the-worst-kept-secret-in-golf/ Though there isn't really sufficient granularity to be certain.

In this case, Mizuno looks (to me) the best.
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Well, that is one test. There have been others. Anyway, I didn't say they were the worst, I was responding to the suggestion they were an exception of some sort to the rule of off spec lofts. They really aren't, and perhaps since their stuff is all supposedly custom made then their offence is all the greater.

You can really only ask for equipment to be within spec, which is a degree plus or minus for most. Like car speedos, the system is set so that the error is always on the less risky side.
 
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Ethan said:
Well, that is one test. There have been others. Anyway, I didn't say they were the worst, I was responding to the suggestion they were an exception of some sort. They really aren't, and perhaps since their stuff is all supposedly custom made then their offence is all the greater.
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Remember that those resulots were for Drivers - which are not 'custom made'.

It's the irons that are 'custom fitted/made' - well, supposedly (and note the apostrophe). And the method to adjust lies is to give the head a good solid whack with a rubber hammer - apparently the safest method for cast clubs! As far as I know, Ping are the only major OEM that do this as a matter of course - others may do so by special order.

Anyway. back to TM... I've had 7 sets of TM clubs (6 of them TM300s) and all but 1 had sizeable differences in shaft flex and swing weight (loft/lie also differed, but could have simply varied after use as they were all 2nd hand). The only set that was virtually spot on was a set of had the hallmarks of having come from a Tour player. I don't believe TM are any better or worse than other OEMs in this regard. My advice is to get any set purchased 'off-the-shelf' checked and adjusted, if necessary.

CMAC said:
that chart shows Ping to have the least amount of drivers on spec :whistle:
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Maybe so, but 'manufacturing tolerance of +/- 1*' is the standard, so that bunch should possibly should be disregarded.
What it doesn't show, is how badly over 1.5* each brand was - for example over 2.5* out of spec.

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics!
 
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Foxholer said:
Remember that those resulots were for Drivers - which are not 'custom made'.

It's the irons that are 'custom fitted/made' - well, supposedly (and note the apostrophe). And the method to adjust lies is to give the head a good solid whack with a rubber hammer - apparently the safest method for cast clubs! As far as I know, Ping are the only major OEM that do this as a matter of course - others may do so by special order.

Anyway. back to TM... I've had 7 sets of TM clubs (6 of them TM300s) and all but 1 had sizeable differences in shaft flex and swing weight (loft/lie also differed, but could have simply varied after use as they were all 2nd hand). The only set that was virtually spot on was a set of had the hallmarks of having come from a Tour player. I don't believe TM are any better or worse than other OEMs in this regard. My advice is to get any set purchased 'off-the-shelf' checked and adjusted, if necessary.



Maybe so, but 'manufacturing tolerance of +/- 1*' is the standard, so that bunch should possibly should be disregarded.
What it doesn't show, is how badly over 1.5* each brand was - for example over 2.5* out of spec.

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics!
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One other area is the quality of standard components. In TMs case, the standard shafts in their non-Tour/TP models is often poor and at much greater variance with the OEM shaft whose name it shares than for other brands. This is one reason the Tour versions are so popular - they have decent shafts. Titleist standard shafts tend to be pretty good even when a 'made for' version, and Mizunos are often excellent, for example the Fubuki in the 630.
 
I don't get the anti-TM feeling, if you don't like then don't buy - simples.

I happen to like some of their drivers and fairway woods.
 
I'm neither anti TM or a TM fanboy, if they want to bring new clubs out every week then that's up to them and I know not to buy into the whole marketing hype they and other manufactures do.
 
To the OP, there is sometimes a bit of outcry on the TM brand. I suspect that it is that TM are the poster boys of marketing. All the manufacturers are businesses trying to make money. I have no doubt that they will all do whatever they can to make money. Some release clubs seemingly all the time, some make 'positive' out of the fact they don't. I have a TM driver and TM irons, all custom fit and they are great clubs. (If only the player could match them!) I would not claim that they were any better than any other OEMs clubs...in fact I'm pretty certain I have never lost a hole or match because of the other players clubs being better :cool: Or won because of my super duper TMs. For me, I try to go hit a few clubs, find one that I seem to hit better and then buy a set...regardless of brand. Still has less impact on my scores than practice and lessons!
 
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