Andy
Tour Winner
Do you have a wizards sleeve and just pull numbers out randomly?
I think you'd be lucky to hit a cows arse with a big stick.
Andy
I think you'd be lucky to hit a cows arse with a big stick.
Andy
Swing Speed - Interim Report
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I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive. But if forced to choose I'd go with the 300 and 10 handicap, since I believe that such a swing would give a greater chance of improvement.
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
This is definitely a wind up
he is just looking for a reaction
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I'd rather hit it 300yds and play off 10 too, why? because I'm never going to stand on a tee and try to only hit it 250yds.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
What I am trying to establish is what your real aim is and now know. You're not really after scratch, you're after 300 yards+.
Nothng wrong with that but I'm intrigued.
Ask almost all golfers would rather hit 250 and be off scratch. Surely the whole point of the game is to play it as well as possible. If you were only ever to be a 10 handicap but a 300 yard hitter, you'd be happy with that?
Nothng wrong with that but I'm intrigued.
Ask almost all golfers would rather hit 250 and be off scratch. Surely the whole point of the game is to play it as well as possible. If you were only ever to be a 10 handicap but a 300 yard hitter, you'd be happy with that?
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
I'm coming round to the fact that the original thread wasn't intended as a wind up. I just think you're confused about what you are trying to achieve and your posts contradict each other no end.
I have no problem with your approach, I don't agree with it but that's not up to me.
What I'm confused about is you say you want to get to low single figures/scratch, yet you would rather hit it further and play off 10 than shorter and play off scratch. This says to me that you care more about hitting it long than playing good golf.
Then you tell us that your last full round was +18. Last week you told us you played one society event on a full course and were +12.
Something somewhere doesn't add up.
What I'm saying is that I want to build a powerful consistent swing, and I'll keep working on that until I can progress that no further.
I don't see the relevance of the 300/10 or 250/0 question. Are you saying that anyone who hits over 300 yards can't achieve scratch?
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
That's not the point though is it. I don't try to only hit it as far as I do, that's just how far I hit it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to hit it 300yds but it shouldn't IMHO, be at the expense of better scores.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course I'm not saying that and I'm not sure why you think I am, however you do seem to believe that to get to scratch you need to hit it 300yds.
The fact that you would rather play of 10 if you could hit it 300yds than play off scratch if you could only hit it 250 tells me all I need to know. You don't really want to play off scratch
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The relevence is that it tells us what you are looking for, Length over scores.
Given the choice of either, you chose 300 over scratch.
Ideally, we'd all like 300+ AND scratch but most of us know its mot going to happen.
Given the choice of either, you chose 300 over scratch.
Ideally, we'd all like 300+ AND scratch but most of us know its mot going to happen.
Here's a similar question: What is more likely?
a) A swing which can produce 300 yard drives, and scratch.
b) A swing which can produce 250 yard drives, and scracth.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Either depending on the rest of your game. Do you not understand that yet?
But do you not get the feeling the 250 and scratch is stretching the score to the limit, whereas a 300 and scratch has more in the tank?
If the choice between the two hypothetical options were final and absolute ("you will have this forever") then I would choose 250 and scratch. IF you ask what I would want FIRST, then I would choose 300 yards, since that's the basis of a good powerful swing.
Why are we arguing over hypothetical questions?
If the choice between the two hypothetical options were final and absolute ("you will have this forever") then I would choose 250 and scratch. IF you ask what I would want FIRST, then I would choose 300 yards, since that's the basis of a good powerful swing.
Why are we arguing over hypothetical questions?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my previous statement
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
The issue seems to be how important is distance and whether hitting it 300 yards is a worthwhile objective as part of an overall plan to become a scatch golfer.
In that light it is interesting to compare some of the thinking on here to the thread on Senior Tour players. Having identified that a possible reason why the likes of Watson, Langer, etc can't compete on the main tour is their inability to drive it 300 yards do we also feel that they would struggle to knock it round our little club courses in level par? They'd be taking 3 woods off the tee and still be ripping them up.
Consider: John Cook, Champions Tour Stats 2011; average driving distance 266.7 yrds, scoring avg 68.44. Wins Mitsubishi Electric Championship at Hualalai, Hawaii with scores of 66, 64, 64 and driving distance of 274.8. Course yardage 7,053, Par 72. Wonder what h/c those cards would give him. Plus 8?
I'd back John Cook to beat the pants off any local club big hitter who can smash it 300 yards.
There's so much more to golf than distance, for which we should all be very grateful. What a dull game it would be otherwise. Like shot putting or javelin throwing.
So I guess given the choice of 250 yards and scratch or 300 yards and scratch I'd take 266.7 and the rest of John Cook's game (and his career earnings - $12,685,199)
In that light it is interesting to compare some of the thinking on here to the thread on Senior Tour players. Having identified that a possible reason why the likes of Watson, Langer, etc can't compete on the main tour is their inability to drive it 300 yards do we also feel that they would struggle to knock it round our little club courses in level par? They'd be taking 3 woods off the tee and still be ripping them up.
Consider: John Cook, Champions Tour Stats 2011; average driving distance 266.7 yrds, scoring avg 68.44. Wins Mitsubishi Electric Championship at Hualalai, Hawaii with scores of 66, 64, 64 and driving distance of 274.8. Course yardage 7,053, Par 72. Wonder what h/c those cards would give him. Plus 8?
I'd back John Cook to beat the pants off any local club big hitter who can smash it 300 yards.
There's so much more to golf than distance, for which we should all be very grateful. What a dull game it would be otherwise. Like shot putting or javelin throwing.
So I guess given the choice of 250 yards and scratch or 300 yards and scratch I'd take 266.7 and the rest of John Cook's game (and his career earnings - $12,685,199)
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Is the right answer.........
So where did you play this round? I thought you weren't going to hit the course until had mastered 300+ yards and infinite swing speed. I can't see any point in wanting to hit it 300+ and play off 10 when 250 and scratch means you are a better golfer. Not only that but the lower you get the more opportunities open up not only in playing but in off course related professions
Crow
Crow Person
Tim, why not enter a few long drive competitions, from what I've heard the guys there are pretty friendly and I'm sure they'd give you many tips on reaching your quest.
And you might find that long drive is more your game than stroke play golf.
And you might find that long drive is more your game than stroke play golf.
WHen you see the Tour Pros hitting a 6iron 200 yards, we're hardly talking about long drive championships here.
Crow
Crow Person
I'm not sure what you're saying Tim.
You want to hit big distances, then why not give long drive a try and pick up a few pointers?
It can't do you any harm and with the very rapid swing speed improvement you've shown you could well be a natural, step aside Jamie Sadlowski & Co.
