Supplementary card question...

[Deleted member 1740]

Why? They have their own SSS

And Yellow Tees of one course could still be longer than White Tees at another. So that's the equivalent of saying handicaps at the shorter course aren't worth having!

You need a bonafide hcap to playing qualifying comps of which are played off the white's so the course is usually easier off yellow tees than white's .A true hcap is usually maintained by playing in comps so that's why i think any cards for hcap should be off the white's .

So why don't we have 2 handicaps 1 for yellows and 1 fir comps?

I play all my golf rounds off the white's at my course , comps and bounce games because i see no point in practicing off the yellows as i want to be playing the same sort of shots in the same area's as i would on comp day.

 

[Foxholer]

Is that 2 different courses you are talking about???

What about the same course/hole. Can yellows be longer than whites???

At 6044 off the Whites, your course is only 1 yrd longer than my old Scottish one (Craigielaw) off the Yellows (Actually Blue).

By your 'logic', if the forward tees at Craigielaw should not be used for Supplementaries, the whites at yours are just as suspect.
And the SSS of C'law's forward tees is Actually higher than yours of the Whites too.

There's nothing stopping a course mixing tees about, these days (there used to be a 10 yard limit), as long as the course length doesn't vary from the Measured Course length by more than 100 yards.

 

[rosecott]

Qualifiers can be played over a measured course - whites or yellows. Our yellows are 90 yards shorter than the whites and are SSS 71 against SSS 72 for whites. I'd take my chance on the whites any day.

 

[Farneyman]

Im not talking abut my course/your old course???? That's nothing to do with my question.

Im talking about the same hole on the same course. Can the yellows be longer than the proper medal tees on a course?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

So what would you do if your handicap bod said that he was giving you a lower handicap?
At the time he was shooting par or close to it in both comp and bounce games , a rapid increase in form was met with a realistic reduction in handicap.
I don't know enough about the system to know if it was strictly by the book, but he has subsequently played to and below the new handicap in comps and to my mind that validates the decision.

To question another forumers handicap is disgraceful and ungentlemanly bringing someones honesty and integrity into question.

You'd soon shout if his handicap was 20 and he was going round in sub 80

 

[Fish]

Im not talking abut my course/your old course???? That's nothing to do with my question.

Im talking about the same hole on the same course. Can the yellows be longer than the proper medal tees on a course?

No, predominately the yellows are forward of the whites. We also have tee boxes where the white blocks are moved back to specifically for medal days, otherwise their on their own white tee boxes slightly forward but still further back than the yellows

 

[Farneyman]

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No, predominately the yellows are forward of the whites. We also have tee boxes where the white blocks are moved back to specifically for medal days, otherwise their on their own white tee boxes slightly forward but still further back than the yellows

We dont have yellows, the whites get moved back to behind measured stones on the tee for medals, that's why I was asking if they are ever longer than the whites. If not surely this makes the course shorter/easier than normal medal conditions when our white tees are back and easier to get sup cut???

Thanks

 

[rosecott]

So what would you do if your handicap bod said that he was giving you a lower handicap?
At the time he was shooting par or close to it in both comp and bounce games , a rapid increase in form was met with a realistic reduction in handicap.
I don't know enough about the system to know if it was strictly by the book, but he has subsequently played to and below the new handicap in comps and to my mind that validates the decision.

To question another forumers handicap is disgraceful and ungentlemanly bringing someones honesty and integrity into question.

You'd soon shout if his handicap was 20 and he was going round in sub 80

For my part, integrity was never in question and still isn't. The argument was always about application of the rules by the club

 

[Deleted member 1740]

To question another forumers handicap is disgraceful and ungentlemanly bringing someones honesty and integrity into question.

Are you serious?

 

[Val]

So what would you do if your handicap bod said that he was giving you a lower handicap?
At the time he was shooting par or close to it in both comp and bounce games , a rapid increase in form was met with a realistic reduction in handicap.
I don't know enough about the system to know if it was strictly by the book, but he has subsequently played to and below the new handicap in comps and to my mind that validates the decision.

To question another forumers handicap is disgraceful and ungentlemanly bringing someones honesty and integrity into question.

You'd soon shout if his handicap was 20 and he was going round in sub 80

Nobody questioned the integrity of the forumer just the method if how it occurred

HC sec did it incorrectly, he basically used a hearsay HC

 

[Foxholer]

Im not talking abut my course/your old course???? That's nothing to do with my question.

Im talking about the same hole on the same course. Can the yellows be longer than the proper medal tees on a course?

But it's just as valid!

Can someone post a link to the exact rules on how handicaps are calculated cause I more confused now than ever.

Is there book I can get from the library

And here's a link to the Scottish UHS - the Handicapping Bible. http://www.scottishgolf.org/files/CONGU_UHS_2012-20153.pdf

It contains all the info you are asking about.

You need a bonafide hcap to playing qualifying comps of which are played off the white's so the course is usually easier off yellow tees than white's .A true hcap is usually maintained by playing in comps so that's why i think any cards for hcap should be off the white's .

So why don't we have 2 handicaps 1 for yellows and 1 fir comps?
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Here's the English one for Stuart_C. http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

Definitely required reading as there is so much in that post that i simply wrong

But I suspect it's all just a wind-up by 'the gang' anyway!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

But it's just as valid!



And here's a link to the Scottish UHS - the Handicapping Bible. http://www.scottishgolf.org/files/CONGU_UHS_2012-20153.pdf

It contains all the info you are asking about.



Here's the English one for Stuart_C. http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

Definitely required reading as there is so much in that post that i simply wrong

But I suspect it's all just a wind-up by 'the gang' anyway!

If you read my post i say " i think it" that meaning in my opinion not a fact.

What gang are you on about ?

I can't be arsed reading it tonight but i will get round to it, honest.

 

[stevek1969]

So what would you do if your handicap bod said that he was giving you a lower handicap?
At the time he was shooting par or close to it in both comp and bounce games , a rapid increase in form was met with a realistic reduction in handicap.
I don't know enough about the system to know if it was strictly by the book, but he has subsequently played to and below the new handicap in comps and to my mind that validates the decision.

To question another forumers handicap is disgraceful and ungentlemanly bringing someones honesty and integrity into question.

You'd soon shout if his handicap was 20 and he was going round in sub 80

How can you make such comment with out proof ,no names were mentioned, no ones integrity was brought into question. If that was your post on the thread then what a waste of time that was.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

How can you make such comment with out proof ,no names were mentioned, no ones integrity was brought into question. If that was your post on the thread then what a waste of time that was.

Err, try reading the posts, his name is there, his handicap has been called into question and publicly questioned, it also happened 2 years ago, so its not exactly "Hot News".

 

[Foxholer]

A handicap cut is about playing medals and sweeps when all the field have the same conditions....

What are these 'Sweeps'? Is this a 'traditional' name for the qualifying comps that aren't Medals?

 

[stevek1969]

What are these 'Sweeps'? Is this a 'traditional' name for the qualifying comps that aren't Medals?

Sure is we have one on a wednseday at my place ,,strokeplay, white tee's ,then once a month stableford of the blue tees.

 

[Farneyman]

And here's a link to the Scottish UHS - the Handicapping Bible. http://www.scottishgolf.org/files/CONGU_UHS_2012-20153.pdf

It contains all the info you are asking about.

Im not talking abut my course/your old course???? That's nothing to do with my question.

Im talking about the same hole on the same course. Can the yellows be longer than the proper medal tees on a course?

Thanks for the link.

Going back to my original question, which you haven't answered which I have quoted again , do you know of any course that has yellow tees behind/further from the hole than the whites?

Comparing 2 totally different courses is not answering my valid question.

 

[DCB]

If I remember correctly, a new handicap sec applied Clause 23, maybe not correctly, but that's what happened. IMO the problem was with the process of getting to that number and stated that at the time. If over the past two years the player has played to that handicap then the figure that was arrived at without following the actual process correctly was surely correct.

Anyway, it's saturday so lets play golf

 

[FairwayDodger]

I'd be much more concerned if a player handed in ten sups and got ten 0.1s back - I'd question their motives!

 

[chris661]

*yawn* probably best to let this one drop now. The fun seems to have been had.