Stack & Tilt

No, every now and then I would nail it. Just not often. That's Titleist for you. Sweet spot like a peanut. A small peanut. It's like masochism, but worse.

Damn I love it.
 
Um, I had a 8.5 degree driver, which needed to be launched, and every now and then, I got stuck on my back foot (not pretty). With S&T I need a slightly more forgiving driver, 9.5 loft, and I have hit some really nice drives with it. You need a wide stance though, to shallow the swing out. Then, bingo.
 
I think S&T is potentially useful for anyone who can get the action right as it centres the player over the ball well and encourages an accurate strike. But it does need a certain amount of flexibility and core strength to make it work.
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That sounds a little biased.

The conventional swing also needs "a certain amount of flexibility and core strength to make it work" doesn't it?



I'd actually say that I find S&T a lot less demanding on the body.

If you try to tilt your spine away from the target by 5°, whilst bending forward at the waist by 30° then rotate your hips 45°, your shoulders a further 45°, all the time getting your weight over your right side and LIFTING the club up (so it is behind you and parallel to the target), don't forget you don't want to be in that 30° forward position now... then lunge at the ball unwinding whilst trying to get onto that left foot..... and hit the ball straight in the process

....the conventional golf swing is inconsistant at best.

Time will prove that as more an more S&T'ers win on the tour and your local club comps.
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Ooh, sensitive. Are you Mike Bennett?

I actually quite like aspects of it, but even its architects admit it needs a decent action to work properly.

The bit where you need to spring up on the ball with a hip release near impact during the downswing is not easy to do for an average golfer. I suspect that some people who think they are doing S&T are really not, they are just staying centred over the ball with a conventional swing action.
 
Well I'm an average golfer. Very average in fact. Some of the shots I hit today though made me feel....er better than average.

I've never had a lesson in my life and all I did was read a bit of stuff online, plus watch the odd youtube clip.

Now I'm not saying I've mastered it by any means but I will say on today's evidence I'm a better golfer than I was yesterday.
 
I tried it for 3 months and all i can say is that it improves your ball striking by a long way but i really couldnt get my driver working (maybe because its 8.5 degrees). I changed back to more conventional swing but still use some of the techniques of S&T which seems to have helped overall. Has to be tried before knocking it as i think its a brilliant swing if your ball striking isnt up to scratch with the rest of your game. Hope this helps anyone whos on the fence with S&T.
 
The only problem I can see with stack & tilt is what do you do when it all goes belly up? Go to the local pro and say "What can you see wrong with my swing?" then when he stops laughing and says "Your not transferring your weight onto your right side on the way back". Reply "Ah but I am using S & T" you can see where this conversation is going and how it will end "Sorry mate I can't help you but I have heard there is a pro 50 miles away who dabbles in the black arts, he may be able to help."

Morale:- Make sure there is someone near by who can look at your swing and see where it is going wrong.

And before all the stack & tilters have a go at me. I think the same about the guy who buy's a David Leadbetter video and thinks he is doing it right, you need someone to look at it and make sure you are doing it right. Then again whatever floats your boat, if you think you are doing S&T or The Modern Golf Swing and it is working good luck to you.
 
Would that be so bad though?

Elements of S&T are good, even if you don't go the whole hog.
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If you do it properly, you need to lift the left hip before impact or you will come in too steeply. If you just choose elements, then really you are just using the nasty old conventional swing, but staying centred over the ball, which I agree is not necessarily a bad thing for many golfers.
 
I tried it for 3 months and all i can say is that it improves your ball striking by a long way but i really couldnt get my driver working (maybe because its 8.5 degrees). I changed back to more conventional swing but still use some of the techniques of S&T which seems to have helped overall. Has to be tried before knocking it as i think its a brilliant swing if your ball striking isnt up to scratch with the rest of your game. Hope this helps anyone whos on the fence with S&T.
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And the driver problem is the perfect example of what I am going on about - the left hip coming up to get a more level impact. You are not doing it properly, and nor are most of the people who think they are.
 
Given that I have read the book by Plummer and Bennet, their view is you can carry aspects of S&T into your swing even if you don't go all the way, and looking at golf on telly, a lot of the pro's do use elements of it in their swings.

It is all about finding what works for you.

If I was starting now, I would go all out S&T. I am trying anyway, but bits of my old swing creep back. Inevitable after 20+ years.
 
Oooh, I post second, go away for an hour or two and the thread explodes!
Oh, well I've been doing Stack and tilt for 6 months and gone from struggling to break 100 to high 80's.
As for the driver, yes I had to switch from a 10.5 degree to a 12 degree.
Being 6'3" and 16 and half stone, moving my weight around especially with my dodgy left leg meant I just could not hit the ball.
But now I'm going pretty sweet, I'm struggling to keep my left arm tucked against the body though.
As for those that say 'good luck with finding a pro' they have a point, but not in the way that you think.
A pro should be able to look at 'any' type of swing and analyse it's flaws.
Slices - then do this...hooks - then do this. etc.
Even the traditional swing has so many variants due to peoples weights, heights and swing speeds for a pro to just shut his mind down and just try to tell you what his version of a perfect swing is on paper, is the sign of a bad pro.
If he can't fix your 'specific flaw' with the swing that you've got then ditch him and find one that can.
 
Given that I have read the book by Plummer and Bennet, their view is you can carry aspects of S&T into your swing even if you don't go all the way, and looking at golf on telly, a lot of the pro's do use elements of it in their swings.
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Is this not just like saying if you look at pro's using stack and tilt on the telly they are using aspects of The Modern Golf Swing, you know shoulder turn, hand and arm movement, hip turn and follow through. Damn those Plummer & Bennet nothing but copy cats :cool:
 
As for those that say 'good luck with finding a pro' they have a point, but not in the way that you think.
A pro should be able to look at 'any' type of swing and analyse it's flaws.
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Why did I think this would raise it's head. If that was the case why did Plummer & Bennet think the Stack & Tilt method was the correct way to do it and not The Modern Swing surely they should have just analysed it's flaws and just corrected them not changed the whole thing.

Please don't take offence at this. I just sometimes get fed up with the, my way is better than yours people. First it was my God is better than your God and they are still fighting over this one after 2000 years, now it's my swing is better than your swing. Guys it is just someones idea's on how the golf swing should work and maybe me being synical but are they making lots of money out of this?

I know! I will go to Hell for this and I will find out who's God is beter than who's. They all work :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
BH may look like he's stacking but he's not tilted toward target so I'm guessing just cos his left knee is bent it doesn't mean he's weighting it on the backswing. I think that's a more conventional swing than an S&T one. :D
 
Why did I think this would raise it's head. If that was the case why did Plummer & Bennet think the Stack & Tilt method was the correct way to do it and not The Modern Swing surely they should have just analysed it's flaws and just corrected them not changed the whole thing.
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I didn't say that...S&T is 'a swing' as much as the conventional swing is.
We as amateur golfers have our own swings and inside those swings are flaws which prevent us from hitting 'the perfect game'. Those flaws can be corrected irregardless of what swing type you use. If a pro says to fix those flaws I must change your swing to either S&T or Conventional then the pro is wrong.
 
BH may look like he's stacking but he's not tilted toward target so I'm guessing just cos his left knee is bent it doesn't mean he's weighting it on the backswing. I think that's a more conventional swing than an S&T one. :D
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This is a common error, the 'Tilt' is not towards the target.
It's actually spine angle. What Ben is doing is keeping weight centered and then transferring it forward and not backward which in essence is what the s&t is about.
 
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