Spiethgate The Open on the 13th

FairwayDodger said:
Practice area at my course is not OOB. I've played a few shots from there! :o Biggest issue is usually finding your ball amongst the 100s if people are practising at the time!
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really? i would imagine most clubs don't want people wondering a round the practice range looking for a ball then trying to play it while range users are firing ball down.

all the ones i know that have a practice ground adjacent to the course are OOB
 
bobmac said:
I thought so too.
Penalty drop back in line as far as he wants to the practice ground.
Oops, big truck in the way.
Move round till its not in the way not nearer the hole
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yes all explained pretty well. I still find it strange that the course range is not OOB. but same for the members too so fair enough
 
JohnnyDee said:
Excellent post and explains the decision fully and completely :thup: leaving no doubt whatsoever.
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Didn't think there was any doubt in the first place - there where two referees with him both top ones at that and he ensured everything was done by the book , they had a rules official on sky explain it , they had one of 5 live explain it and it was all quite clear and never any doubt.
 
patricks148 said:
yes all explained pretty well. I still find it strange that the course range is not OOB. but same for the members too so fair enough
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I think the answer lies in what the R&A guy said, it's not oob for members, so no need to change it for the Open.

It's probably that far from any of the holes it doesn't intefere with the playing of any, if it had been a Club member doing that on the 13th they woud of played a provisional off the tee and never found their initial tee shot.

Watching it live the crowd initially claimed to have found it the wrong side of the dune.
 
For all those perplexed by practice grounds allowed to be in bounds, the relevant rule is 33-2c.

On another note, the thing that is bothering me is this:

Hosel Fade said:
... Especially after they went through the trouble of making the 9th fairway OoB when playing the 10th because Day was hitting it over there on practice days
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I wasn't aware they had done this, and I do appreciate that sometimes internal OOB is needed for health & safety reasons. (Indeed at my own club, the 7th fairway is OOB when playing the 8th).

But I've been told that internal OOB isn't allowed in professional competitions. Have I been incorrectly informed?
 
guest100718 said:
you asked about practicing on the course before a round......
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Yes, which isn't permitted under 7.1; the point is, if the practise ground is deemed in play as is the case in the Golf Channel video Bob posted, allowing Speith to play from there then it has be to be considered part of the course.

If that is the case then practise before the round shouldn't be permitted in that area whether its designated a practise area or not ... it's a grey area imo.

You said there's an exception, stating 'on or near the practise ground'; the exception to 7.1 only permits chipping/putting, not striping irons and drivers down the field. If there's another exception you're referring to, you haven't shown it.
 
Whether he used the rules to his advantage or not is immaterial. On a normal golfers saturday comp that ball would never have been found thus reloading and being penalized stroke and distance. Not fair that Pro's have the galleries to look for their wayward tee shots, also the lack of shouting FORE is very bad. Its as if they want the ball to hit a spectator in order to stop it going in somewhere nasty.

On a side note Speith has to be the most boring player ever to watch. Takes literally an age before he hits a shot. Feel sorry for Kuch having to wait ages between shots.
 
BrizoH71 said:
Yes, which isn't permitted under 7.1; the point is, if the practise ground is deemed in play as is the case in the Golf Channel video Bob posted, allowing Speith to play from there then it has be to be considered part of the course.

If that is the case then practise before the round shouldn't be permitted in that area whether its designated a practise area or not ... it's a grey area imo.

You said there's an exception, stating 'on or near the practise ground'; the exception to 7.1 only permits chipping/putting, not striping irons and drivers down the field. If there's another exception you're referring to, you haven't shown it.
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you're over thinking it... its a practice ground.. its where you practice...
 
corrupthalo said:
Whether he used the rules to his advantage or not is immaterial. On a normal golfers saturday comp that ball would never have been found thus reloading and being penalized stroke and distance. Not fair that Pro's have the galleries to look for their wayward tee shots, also the lack of shouting FORE is very bad. Its as if they want the ball to hit a spectator in order to stop it going in somewhere nasty.

On a side note Speith has to be the most boring player ever to watch. Takes literally an age before he hits a shot. Feel sorry for Kuch having to wait ages between shots.
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I get that it makes their game different to ours but what's the alternative, they cant just let them search for 5 minutes every time when someone is standing right there who knows exactly where the ball is and the game can carry on if only they'd speak up

No excuse for not shouting though
 
There was nothing wrong with the ruling. Is it fair that you can hit it so far off line, into rough that without spectators you wouldn't even find your ball, then get a drop under a penalty of just one shot ?

I guess its fair, because the rules say its fair, and Speith got lucky and made one of the greatest bogey's ever.
 
patricks148 said:
really? i would imagine most clubs don't want people wondering a round the practice range looking for a ball then trying to play it while range users are firing ball down.

all the ones i know that have a practice ground adjacent to the course are OOB
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Yes and I do agree with you. As a regular user of the practice area it is a right pain having to wait every few minutes while a bunch of big slicers wander into the firing range as if you aren't there!
 
corrupthalo said:
On a side note Speith has to be the most boring player ever to watch. Takes literally an age before he hits a shot. Feel sorry for Kuch having to wait ages between shots.
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Cannot understand this viewpoint at all. The guy made an astonishing 5 on 13, nearly aced 14 and dropped the mother of all putts for eagle on 15. It was proper drama.

Slow? Maybe. Boring? Not even close.
 
mcbroon said:
Cannot understand this viewpoint at all. The guy made an astonishing 5 on 13, nearly aced 14 and dropped the mother of all putts for eagle on 15. It was proper drama.

Slow? Maybe. Boring? Not even close.
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^^This^^ When people use the word boring for top golfers I see it as a compliment to the golfer, some complained about the height of the rough and Spieth purposely aiming at it, isn't that great course management?
 
practice range on my course is not OOB either.

If you pull a drive a bit left on the 18th you go in to the range and there are often 100s of balls on the ground...


Can actually take more than a few minutes to find them, and everyone on the range has to stop hitting


Pretty silly all in all
 
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