Sparky question.. socket in loft

[Mudball]

IMHO , A switched fused outlet would do fine taken from the lighting circuit , just fit a 3 amp fuse. Remove the plug top from the router cable and connect into the 3 amp fused spur. The immerser spur may be controlled from a switch or timer .

I like the idea.. though it would depend on if the the router cable comes with removable plug.. dont fancy cutting it.. I havent bought it yet the Asus mesh yet. So the current thinking is to have a simple plug.

 

[williamalex1]

Fade and die is more up to date with the regs than me, but that's what i would do

 

[Fade and Die]

I like the idea.. though it would depend on if the the router cable comes with removable plug.. dont fancy cutting it.. I havent bought it yet the Asus mesh yet. So the current thinking is to have a simple plug.

Your router will have a moulded plug on it so if you go with the options of wiring it into a spur or a 5A socket you will have to cut it off. If you don’t fancy that then either put a single socket next to the immersion heater or boiler spur and run an extension lead. (Not ideal as extension leads are trip hazards)
I like @williamalex1 idea of fitting a spur on the lighting circuit with a 3A fuse but instead of cutting off the router plug, connect a single socket to the spur so the maximum load you can use on the socket is 3A.
Maybe use a duel box like this https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/pro...-box-round-corners-for-mmt2-white-sold-in-1-s

Edit: or just wire off either of the spurs to a socket near where you are putting the router.

 

[Mudball]

Is it just me or Screwfix does not have any 3A/5A (or 6A ) ) single sockets? Plenty of 13A

I found this.. https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-switched-socket/p88746
i was going to match that with a 25m simple back box

 

[Fade and Die]

Is it just me or Screwfix does not have any 3A/5A (or 6A ) ) single sockets? Plenty of 13A

I found this.. https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-switched-socket/p88746
i was going to match that with a 25m simple back box

https://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-logic-plus-5a-1-gang-unswitched-round-pin-plug-socket-white/11412

 

[Mudball]

https://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-logic-plus-5a-1-gang-unswitched-round-pin-plug-socket-white/11412

I saw it,.. but that looks like a Round pin... am i missing something..

Your router will have a moulded plug on it so if you go with the options of wiring it into a spur or a 5A socket you will have to cut it off. If you don’t fancy that then either put a single socket next to the immersion heater or boiler spur and run an extension lead. (Not ideal as extension leads are trip hazards)
I like @williamalex1 idea of fitting a spur on the lighting circuit with a 3A fuse but instead of cutting off the router plug, connect a single socket to the spur so the maximum load you can use on the socket is 3A.
Maybe use a duel box like this https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/pro...-box-round-corners-for-mmt2-white-sold-in-1-s

Ok.. Apologies for my senior moment.. i think i am starting to understand this slightly better.. Is this what you & old @williamalex1 had in mind

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I understand trying to help someone, but I can't help but feel this is another of those times when a little knowledge could be very dangerous
No disrespect to those taking part here, but I can't help but feel this could all go pete tong in not a nice way .
Sorry.

 

[williamalex1]

Your router will have a moulded plug on it so if you go with the options of wiring it into a spur or a 5A socket you will have to cut it off. If you don’t fancy that then either put a single socket next to the immersion heater or boiler spur and run an extension lead. (Not ideal as extension leads are trip hazards)
I like @williamalex1 idea of fitting a spur on the lighting circuit with a 3A fuse but instead of cutting off the router plug, connect a single socket to the spur so the maximum load you can use on the socket is 3A.
Maybe use a duel box like this https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/pro...-box-round-corners-for-mmt2-white-sold-in-1-s

I would just cut the 13 amp 240 v MAINS plug off the router cable and connect to a fused outlet , remember the lighting circuit is/should already be protected by a 6 amp breaker.

 

[Fade and Die]

I saw it,.. but that looks like a Round pin... am i missing something..




Ok.. Apologies for my senior moment.. i think i am starting to understand this slightly better.. Is this what you & old @williamalex1 had in mind

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Yes 5A sockets are round pins, (So you can’t plug your toaster in it!)

Yep your graphic is exactly right.

As Bunkermagnet says things can go very wrong when playing with electricity. I don’t know your level of DIY skills (although this ain’t too tricky) so Please make sure the circuit is off before touching! ️

 

[williamalex1]

I saw it,.. but that looks like a Round pin... am i missing something..




Ok.. Apologies for my senior moment.. i think i am starting to understand this slightly better.. Is this what you & old @williamalex1 had in mind

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No, not a single plug, if you did that anything could be plugged into it. needs to a hard wired fused outlet.

 

[Fade and Die]

I would just cut the 13 amp 240 v MAINS plug off the router cable and connect to a fused outlet , remember the lighting circuit is/should already be protected by a 6 amp breaker.

Their are plenty of ways to do it William, if @Mudball is going to mount the router on the ceiling is he going to cut a 13A plug sized hole behind it to pass the plug through into the loft?

 

[Fade and Die]

No, not a single plug, if you did that anything could be plugged into it. needs to a hard wired fused outlet.

I disagree, the 3A fuse protects the circuit, the socket outlet is dedicated for the router....Anyway as I said there are lots of ways to do this job. Ask 5 electricians and get 5 different answers!?

 

[Mudball]

I understand trying to help someone, but I can't help but feel this is another of those times when a little knowledge could be very dangerous
No disrespect to those taking part here, but I can't help but feel this could all go pete tong in not a nice way .
Sorry.

Fair point..

Yes 5A sockets are round pins, (So you can’t plug your toaster in it!)

Yep your graphic is exactly right.

As Bunkermagnet says things can go very wrong when playing with electricity. I don’t know your level of DIY skills (although this ain’t too tricky) so Please make sure the circuit is off before touching! ️

i have had enuf experience of those to now turn things off.. Earlier in the week hardwired a Ring floodlight to replace existing one.. one of the most fiddly bit of diy i have done in a long time. Trying to connect the earth cable to it while on a ladder was a bit like doing a spacewalk outside the ISS

 

[williamalex1]

Their are plenty of ways to do it William, if @Mudball is going to mount the router on the ceiling is he going to cut a 13A plug sized hole behind it to pass the plug through into the loft?

Depends on the router supply cable, mine has a 13 amp plug with 1.5 mtrs flex going to a small transformer then a flex with a small 2 pin plug going to the router., so no need to cut a big hole in the ceiling.

 

[Mudball]

Their are plenty of ways to do it William, if @Mudball is going to mount the router on the ceiling is he going to cut a 13A plug sized hole behind it to pass the plug through into the loft?

Assuming i can attach it to the ceiling, i was going to drill a small hole and pass the cable downwards from the loft. hopefully the bit that sticks in the router is small enough to go thru and be hidden behind the router.

lets revisit in a couple of weeks once i find a good deal for the Asus router... looking at the unboxing video, the power supply looks fairly chunky

 

[jim8flog]

Why would you say that... asking for a friend...

Because of how cold lofts get and boiler frost stats kick in at about 8 degrees generally so the boiler is running when it would not be in a warmer room such as a kitchen.

Next door when the house was being renovated the plumbers put the boiler in the garage and it was firing up 24 hours a day with nobody living in the house.

Judging by the shear number of unlagged water pipes in your loft I guess it must be pretty warm in there any way.

 

[USER1999]

Boiler in the loft.

I have this. It puts so much plumbing in the loft.

When something leaks, boiler, pump, joints, mid position valves, zone valves, weird magnetic corrosion proof magic rubbish, plastic pipe, push in pipe joints, what ever. It dumps boat loads of water through your ceiling, into the room (rooms) below, writing off bedding, mattresses, carpets, ceilings, etc.

Really wish we had not done this. It's happened twice so far, and it is only a matter of when it happens again.

 

[williamalex1]

I disagree, the 3A fuse protects the circuit, the socket outlet is dedicated for the router....Anyway as I said there are lots of ways to do this job. Ask 5 electricians and get 5 different answers!?

Yip lots of ways to skin a cat, 240/440volt cauterising ,

 

[PJ87]

Because of how cold lofts get and boiler frost stats kick in at about 8 degrees generally so the boiler is running when it would not be in a warmer room such as a kitchen.

Next door when the house was being renovated the plumbers put the boiler in the garage and it was firing up 24 hours a day with nobody living in the house.

Surely frost protection kicks in when thermostat hits 8 which will be elsewhere

 

[jim8flog]

Surely frost protection kicks in when thermostat hits 8 which will be elsewhere

Modern boilers have frost stats in them at least the good makes do. It means you can turn the heating off via a room stat or timer switch and not worry about pipes or the boiler freezing.