Solhiem Cup

[garyinderry]

How long can you confer if you would like the someone to hole out.

Making someone wait any length of time can be see as gamesmanship or breach of etiquette.


Granted nothing as to be given but 1.5 feet seems to be well within the pro gimmy range.

 

[Slab]

How long can you confer if you would like the someone to hole out.

Making someone wait any length of time can be see as gamesmanship or breach of etiquette.


Granted nothing as to be given but 1.5 feet seems to be well within the pro gimmy range.

And if conferring was really the intent i'm not sure what Hull would have said to Pettersen anyway because she has no idea of the length of the putt that remained.

The coverage shows that Hull is offski (towards next tee/Pettersen) once the ball passes the hole and before Lee's ball stops and she doesn't look back


edit: I guess that's harsh saying she has no idea, as a pro she'll clearly have some idea how far past its going to go. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we're supposed to believe she's taken the decision to confer with Pettersen about a gimmie and moving towards her while the ball is still in motion which just seems weird

 

[Hacker Khan]

Didn't see much of it this weekend but noticed that on both mornings they had to finish games off the next morning. Was that due to the weather not allowing a full days play, or was it just that they were slow?

 

[Slab]

Didn't see much of it this weekend but noticed that on both mornings they had to finish games off the next morning. Was that due to the weather not allowing a full days play, or was it just that they were slow?

While it wasn't exactly gorgeous sunny weather giving max daylight, it was very very slow play that's been reported as losing the light

 

[ManinBlack]

Depends exactly what was said on the two occasions it was mentioned previously. If, for example, on the second occasion Petterson said "Next time you do that we'll claim the hole" can the USA have any complaint at all?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Suppose you have a 20 foot putt for a half and your opponent walks off the green and goes to the next tee. Putt conceded or just plain rude?

 

[Smiffy]

Suppose you have a 20 foot putt for a half and your opponent walks off the green and goes to the next tee. Putt conceded or just plain rude?

Plain rude. And I wouldn't have a 20 foot putt left because I'd pick my ball up and throw it at their head. Really hard.
Okay I'd lose the hole (technically) but that would be more than compensated for the pleasure I'd get.

 

[bluewolf]

Suppose you have a 20 foot putt for a half and your opponent walks off the green and goes to the next tee. Putt conceded or just plain rude?

Incredibly rude and would result in a shout from me that if he didn't come back I'd take it as a concession. But the putt in question wasn't 20ft. It was less than 2ft and less than several putts that had already been conceded..

Anyway, it was within the rules and the Yanks should have taken it a bit more gracefully. However, certain individuals will probably be a bit disappointed with how they behaved yesterday..

 

[bladeplayer]

Suppose you have a 20 foot putt for a half and your opponent walks off the green and goes to the next tee. Putt conceded or just plain rude?

Would you in all seriousness expect to give or be given a 20' putt ?

It all boils down to this tho
The putt was not conceded verbally so Lee had no right to pick it up .. Rules are Rules ..

Hulls actions of belting away , she didn't stride or stroll away she belted away gave every1 even the crowd & the ref the belief it was conceded,so she needs to look at her part in it aswell ,

She said she was going to Petterson ok we have no choice but to believe her , we do have the right to doubt her tho ,

IMO & only IMO she was conceding then the older more experienced pro wasnt , so when she picked up id say she asked Hull did you give that & then it began ..

 

[FairwayDodger]

Incredibly rude and would result in a shout from me that if he didn't come back I'd take it as a concession. But the putt in question wasn't 20ft. It was less than 2ft and less than several putts that had already been conceded..

Anyway, it was within the rules and the Yanks should have taken it a bit more gracefully. However, certain individuals will probably be a bit disappointed with how they behaved yesterday..

I know. I've only seen it briefly on the news as I've been away all weekend but the 20 foot putt scenario was a real incident that someone told me about while we discussed this. My take was that it was completely ignorant but not a concession. Same applies in the Hull/Pettersen case. Rude and unnecessary but if nothing was said you've got no choice other than to tap it in.

Length of previous concessions isn't particularly relevant, that's only one factor you consider before conceding a putt.

Anyway, agree with you, nobody has come out of this looking good. A complete lack of grace on both sides.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

What I don't understand is why they didn't just replace the ball and then make her putt out.

Unless the rules have changed (or I was misinformed), if you think you've been given a putt, but it turned out you weren't, you should replace at as close to the correct position as is possible (and with TV that is pretty close) and putt out. No loss of hole or shot penalty.

 

[bladeplayer]

From instagtam , tried to copy link but i am useless at it..

suzannpettersenI've never felt more gutted and truly sad about what went down Sunday on the 17th at the Solheim Cup.
I am so sorry for not thinking about the bigger picture in the heat of the battle and competition. I was trying my hardest for my team and put the single match and the point that could be earned ahead of sportsmanship and the game of golf itself! I feel like I let my team down and I am sorry.
To the U.S. team, you guys have a great leader in Juli , who I've always looked up to and respect so much. Knowing I need to make things "right," I had a face to face chat with her before leaving Germany this morning to tell her in person how I really feel about all of this. I wanted her also to know that I am sorry.
I hope in time the U.S. team will forgive me and know that I have learned a valuable lesson about what is truly important in this great game of golf which has given me so much in my life.

To the fans of golf who watched the competition on TV, I am sorry for the way I carried myself. I can be so much better and being an ambassador for this great game means a lot to me.
The Solheim Cup has been a huge part of my career. I wish I could change Sunday for many reasons. Unfortunately I can't.
This week I want to push forward toward another opportunity to earn the Solheim Cup back for Europe in the right way. And I want to work hard to earn back your belief in me as someone who plays hard, plays fair and plays the great game of golf the right way.

 

[Kellfire]

Such a shame that PR takes precedence over playing the game by the rules, even for a wiley old stalwart like Suzann.

 

[chrisd]

A fair statement and apology, not an admission of doing anything wrong though. In the wider world, rather than the golf world, it'll not matter a jot either way. The 6.30 pm BBC news didn't even mention the result let alone the incident.

 

[delc]

The referree seemed satisfied that the putt hadn't been conceded, so isn't that all that matters?

 

[Sweep]

Very interesting development with the apology from Pettersen.
However, it has occurred to me that as far as I know (and I stand to be corrected and I am sure I will be ) golf matchplay is the only game where a player gives or concedes opponents shots or points. Whilst I fully support the high levels of sportsmanship in golf and the notion that golf is different to other sports, for the first time I have found myself thinking that permitting concessions causes more trouble than its worth. I really don't like it when your opponent leaves themselves with a 3 footer or less, those borderline ones where you look mean if you don't give them, but really in the interests of the game, you should see them in. After all, if it's a gimme it's pretty much unmissable, right? So why not put it in?
I have seen 3" putts missed and it would save a lot of confusion and heartache if the practice ended and this sad incident would never have happened.
TBH I am not sure how I feel about this, but it's worth thinking about.

 

[Smiffy]

The referree seemed satisfied that the putt hadn't been conceded, so isn't that all that matters?

It took him a while to work it out.
And he had to be told it hadn't been conceded.
He "assumed" (like the vast majority of us) that it had.

 

[Jimaroid]

Not surprised Pettersen has apologised. I thought it was quite telling what Laura Davis said not long after it had happened:

Asked for her reaction on Sky Sports 4, 12-time Solheim Cup player Dame Laura Davies said: "Disgusted. We have got our best player, Charley Hull, who has just won a point and she is in floods of tears. That tells you the wrong thing was done. How Suzann can justify that I will never, ever know. We are all fierce competitors but ultimately it's unfair. We have to play week in, week out together and you do not do something like that to a fellow pro."

http://www.skysports.com/golf/news/29304/9998759/solheim-cup-controversy-as-europe-lead-10-6-ahead-of-singles

 

[delc]

Apparently, Alison Lee's partner Britanny Lincicome yelled at her not to pick the ball up, so maybe that was what she misheard?

 

[ShankyBoy]

Yeah, I don't see gimme's adding anything, they just cause more issues than they are worth, as stated, if such a gimme, it's a no brainer to put the thing in the hole. We don't have it in stroke play, remove it from match play too.