Solhiem Cup

[Deleted Member 1156]

Since when has a player walking away been a concession of a putt?

So playing devils advocate..........

You have a short putt and your oppo walks off the green to the next tee without saying anything. You stand over the putt until he is out of sight then miss the putt. Putting the honesty issue aside, how does he know if you holed it? You could say you did and he would be none the wiser.

If my oppo turned round and walked away, I would (and have) taken that as a concession.

 

[Hobbit]

Clearly not otherwise the situation would never have arisen.

So lets all pick up the little knee tremblers and argue that it was/should be conceded.

If someone I was playing had previous for picking up before a concession I'd be pretty miffed, as per Pettersen. As for the (wounded) behaviour of the Americans... no sympathy. Good on Pettersen for standing her ground on this.

 

[Kellfire]

Why do people keep going down this "sportsmanship" angle?

The ONLY way to allow the US team a half was for Hull and Pettersen to lie to the ref and say they conceded.

They didn't concede so the only other way to procede would be for Lee to replace her ball with a one shot penalty thus unable to half anyway.

So are all these US apologists really saying that, in the interest of sportsmanship, europe should have lied?

Really?

That's your idea of fair play?!

 

[bladeplayer]

anybody else think that the last time they saw a face like that of the yank captain it had a hook in it?

Not sure even a mother could love it ha

 

[quinn]

Look, it's simple, it was the Americans fault, if she hadn't knocked it 2ft past none of this wouldnt have happened,

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Nope sorry it was that cut and dry.

If the situation is that cut and dried, why all this controversy?

 

[JezzE]

What did you make of it Jezz ?

Well within the rules as no concession but sometimes theres a right & wrong way to do things ..

Do you think it was called due to the fact she ha done it twice earlier & been warned

Don't have Sky so have only seen the clips online a few times, and it's an unfortunate and pretty unsavoury incident however much you quote the letter of the law, as evidenced by top pros like Laura Davies condemning Pettersen.

There's no doubt that Hull is walking off in a fashion that suggests she believes the hole is done, on to the next tee. I have never played with anyone who walks off that purposefully after a hole-winning putt has been missed merely to stand further away to watch you tackle the next one. And yet, no concession was actually verbalised apparently...

Don't really know what to make of it to be honest, but certainly not good for golf, and not good for Europe's chances in the singles!

If I'd found out about it earlier, I would have put my life savings on Hull losing her singles given how upset she clearly was about an incident that some are saying wasn't even an incident...

 

[pokerjoke]

Well done USA.You got the best motivational speech ever without a word being uttered.I played in a singles matchplay semi final on Friday and the opponent drove from in front of the markers and he'd realised his mistake when he pulled the tee out.I told him not to worry about it,I wouldn't want to claim a hole like that. Yesterday in a pairs final I accidentally dropped the top of my iron on my ball causing it to oscillate.They told me to forget it as I never offered a stroke.Todays scenario has sickened me and for the first time I cheered the Americans on.

More of an over reaction than the whole saga itself

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So playing devils advocate..........

You have a short putt and your oppo walks off the green to the next tee without saying anything. You stand over the putt until he is out of sight then miss the putt. Putting the honesty issue aside, how does he know if you holed it? You could say you did and he would be none the wiser.

If my oppo turned round and walked away, I would (and have) taken that as a concession.

Put it in the hole and then ask your FC to clarify in future any concessions

You can only do your bit

 

[bladeplayer]

Don't have Sky so have only seen the clips online a few times, and it's an unfortunate and pretty unsavoury incident however much you quote the letter of the law, as evidenced by top pros like Laura Davies condemning Pettersen.

There's no doubt that Hull is walking off in a fashion that suggests she believes the hole is done, on to the next tee. I have never played with anyone who walks off that purposefully after a hole-winning putt has been missed merely to stand further away to watch you tackle the next one. And yet, no concession was actually verbalised apparently...

Don't really know what to make of it to be honest, but certainly not good for golf, and not good for Europe's chances in the singles!

If I'd found out about it earlier, I would have put my life savings on Hull losing her singles given how upset she clearly was about an incident that some are saying wasn't even an incident...

Yea I was in the , she broke the rules camp until I saw the way Hull & caddies took off .. spectators & all were away

Mind you if Id been warned twice bout picking up without been told , id be marking until I was defo told to

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yea I was in the , she broke the rules camp until I saw the way Hull & caddies took off .. spectators & all were away

Mind you if Id been warned twice bout picking up without been told , id be marking until I was defo told to

If that hadn't of happened then I don't think Petterson would have made an issue of this one

Is the one thing that IMO makes the actions of Peterson within the spirit etc

 

[wrighty1874]

You should have made him rehit if it was a good drive.

You committed no penalty if your ball only oscillated.

The two events don't cancel each other out as only one was due a penalty.

It's my choice and I wouldn't want to put him an a position of added pressure to replicate the shot. Golf is hard enough.

 

[Norrin Radd]

It made me laugh that the commentators kept saying that the incident was bad for womens golf,well would the internet golf forums be full of it if it had just been an american win by one point ,i think not .it has put womens golf in the forefront of all golf and that cant hurt womens golf ,as they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

 

[richart]

It made me laugh that the commentators kept saying that the incident was bad for womens golf,well would the internet golf forums be full of it if it had just been an american win by one point ,i think not .it has put womens golf in the forefront of all golf and that cant hurt womens golf ,as they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

You reckon that non golfers will watch what happened, and think that is a game I must play? To me it is bad for a game where numbers participating are dropping. Not all publicity is good publicity in sport in my view.

 

[AmandaJR]

If that hadn't of happened then I don't think Petterson would have made an issue of this one

Is the one thing that IMO makes the actions of Peterson within the spirit etc

Likewise. I can understand her frustration with Lee continually assuming concessions.

 

[delc]

So lets all pick up the little knee tremblers and argue that it was/should be conceded.

If someone I was playing had previous for picking up before a concession I'd be pretty miffed, as per Pettersen. As for the (wounded) behaviour of the Americans... no sympathy. Good on Pettersen for standing her ground on this.

Probably a bad thing to do (by Pettersen), because it just fired the Americans up and made them more determined to win in the singles. Our girls managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! Hope they do better in 2 years time.

P.S. Probably no worse than the Yanks making Anneka Sorenstam retake her holed chip shot a few years ago!

 

[chrisd]

I didn't see it live but, in the clips I've seen Hull and her caddie looked to me to be happy that the hole was over as they marched away and I just wonder if Petterson was deliberatey trying to catch her out having already warned her earlier? It seems like a bowler who stumps the batsman at the non strike end after warning him before! Not really a satisfactory way to win a hole for me

 

[richart]

I didn't see it live but, in the clips I've seen Hull and her caddie looked to me to be happy that the hole was over as they marched away and I just wonder if Petterson was deliberatey trying to catch her out having already warned her earlier? It seems like a bowler who stumps the batsman at the non strike end after warning him before! Not really a satisfactory way to win a hole for me

That was my thinking, though no proof as I didn't see her warned before. I have a feelng the putts she picked up my have been inches away, and there was some gamesmanship involved by Pettersen.:mmm:

I would obviously not say that to Pettersens face though.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've played matchplay golf at various levels for 40 years. If I hit a putt 18 inches past the hole and my opponent turned round and started walking off the green, I would take that as a concession.

Thinking back to the famous Nicklaus/Jacklin concession in the Ryder Cup and the sportsmanship showed then, I wonder what Big Jack thinks about this incident.

As already stated, golf is the loser this week

So have I - and I wouldn't - and manys the time I've had to ask for clarification if a putt was given or not as opponents head off to the edge of the green.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes that's an etiquette issue which is being seen a number of times - just watch the US Amatuer - unless as they said they were moving away and expected her to mark it and line it up as it was over a foot away and at a crucial stage in the match.

I have done it myself - moved to the edge of the green as someone putts out in matchplay.

Regularly - get myself right out of the way of my opponent.