Ethan
Money List Winner
We saw this in The Walker Cup, players walking off when their opponent had a putt that still mattered. Bad manners. The player should stay until the hole is decided.
Kellfire
Blackballed
So why is Pettersen taking the flak, not Hull??
3565
Journeyman Pro
Since when has a player walking away been a concession of a putt?
If im 6" away and don't hear opponent(s) say it's a concession then I either mark or ask? If a player walks away I don't 'Assume' it's a concession.
My eyes nothing wrong, just a rookie mistake from the Americans.
But i have heard that the official could be at fault and a ruling which allows, that if players disagree on what was said (concession, none concession) He can get her to replace the ball and hole out, but he decided after interviewing the players decided enough evidence not to take that option.
It don't matter now as they played better golf today.
If im 6" away and don't hear opponent(s) say it's a concession then I either mark or ask? If a player walks away I don't 'Assume' it's a concession.
My eyes nothing wrong, just a rookie mistake from the Americans.
But i have heard that the official could be at fault and a ruling which allows, that if players disagree on what was said (concession, none concession) He can get her to replace the ball and hole out, but he decided after interviewing the players decided enough evidence not to take that option.
It don't matter now as they played better golf today.
Qwerty
Tour Winner
We can only assume based on actions not words what the players were thinking.
For what its worth.. I'm assuming Petterson was calling the Shots and the way Hull marched off she'd assumed Petterson would,Should, and did give Lee the putt.
It wasn't just Hull that was walking off the green, Lee has seen the exodus including Hull and takes it as a gimme.
All the while Petterson is in the background looking on(IMO from an etiquette Point of view too far away) and despite everyone walking off the green decides not to give it, and let's be honest it was a tap in.
I know Rules are Rules but I don't see the point in winning if you have to stretch them to limit like that. Kinda takes the edge off it for me. Its only a game and they're not exactly playing to put food on the table. Ugly!!
For what its worth.. I'm assuming Petterson was calling the Shots and the way Hull marched off she'd assumed Petterson would,Should, and did give Lee the putt.
It wasn't just Hull that was walking off the green, Lee has seen the exodus including Hull and takes it as a gimme.
All the while Petterson is in the background looking on(IMO from an etiquette Point of view too far away) and despite everyone walking off the green decides not to give it, and let's be honest it was a tap in.
I know Rules are Rules but I don't see the point in winning if you have to stretch them to limit like that. Kinda takes the edge off it for me. Its only a game and they're not exactly playing to put food on the table. Ugly!!
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Well summed up, rules are rules but as you say, Ugly!
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Spot on.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Imo and watching the video replay Hull and caddy thought it was a consession,however the American could and probably should have checked first.
Don't the Americans get on your wick though all standing in a circle shouting U.S.A.
Should add a bit of spice though for the next one just like the Justin Leonard incident.
Don't the Americans get on your wick though all standing in a circle shouting U.S.A.
Should add a bit of spice though for the next one just like the Justin Leonard incident.
bladeplayer
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bladeplayer
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IMO most think Hull was happy to concede (ie walking away) but Peterson then came in with the that wasn't conceded
that's just an opinion tho
Superb retort from the US and clearly Inkster used it to fire the side up to claim a thrilling win. Shame if the event gets overshadowed by the incident but having seen it a number of times, the decision still appears correct as there was clearly no concession. I think there will be a piquant of tension on the first tee at the next match though regardless of the respective captains no doubt going on a huge PR mission between now and then
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
thought it summed the yanks up by the comment from vcapt "if that's what you have to do to win " never liked the yanks and dislike them even more now,bring on the RYDER cup.
bluewolf
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Well said Dave. Was playing at Reddish Vale today, and everyone I spoke to agreed it was terrible from Team Europe. Whilst I would never shout for a victory for team USA, you've got to be a bit concerned when you hand the moral high ground to the Yanks.
bozza
Journeyman Pro
Like I've said before, since when did sportsmanship/etiquette become the new rules of golf?
You forget to sign your card that costs you winning your club championship do you expect the rule to be ignored?
No, you wouldn't.
It's harsh but you can't pick and choose when to apply the rules of golf, especially in such a big event.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Excellent points well made
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
anybody else think that the last time they saw a face like that of the yank captain it had a hook in it?
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Good post Qwerty
Think at the end of the day we can only go by the spoken word of the players
It certainly isn't a simple situation
Possibly the ref should have been more involved as it appears he could have been more of a instigator in the whole incident
Think at the end of the day we can only go by the spoken word of the players
It certainly isn't a simple situation
Possibly the ref should have been more involved as it appears he could have been more of a instigator in the whole incident
Crow
Crow Person
I've read all the comments and have looked several times at the recording and my viewpoint has changed.
When I first looked at the video I thought "badly done" by Europe but after reading all the posts and looking several times at it here's my revised take.
First off I think it important that Lee had been warned more than once previously about picking up before a concession, this would piss me off in a match and I might start to follow the rules to the letter.
Secondly, yes Charlie Hull started to walk away but Lee didn't really look directly towards her to confirm the concession, she might have caught the movement out of the corner of her eye but as many have said, she assumed, even Lincicome got this fact and tried to intervene but too late.
Thirdly, we do not see Petersen until after the main event so I can't say how close she was but she would appear to have been at the edge of the green, a perfectly adequate place to stand to watch the first putt. From her viewpoint Lee's second putt may have looked further than the reported 18 inches and she was perfectly justified in not conceding.
I do have one question that I don't know the answer to though and for me the sportsmanship thing rides on this.
As I don't have Sky I haven't seen any more of the match than this one incident but was Pettersen taking the lead in concessions as the senior partner or were both Europeans giving putts?
If Pettersen was taking the lead then I think Europe are absolutely justified in their actions in view of my third comment above.
If both were offering concessions then Lee was still in the wrong and it's down to the European team to act how they see fit and that's their call, USA have no comeback whatever Europe decide.
When I first looked at the video I thought "badly done" by Europe but after reading all the posts and looking several times at it here's my revised take.
First off I think it important that Lee had been warned more than once previously about picking up before a concession, this would piss me off in a match and I might start to follow the rules to the letter.
Secondly, yes Charlie Hull started to walk away but Lee didn't really look directly towards her to confirm the concession, she might have caught the movement out of the corner of her eye but as many have said, she assumed, even Lincicome got this fact and tried to intervene but too late.
Thirdly, we do not see Petersen until after the main event so I can't say how close she was but she would appear to have been at the edge of the green, a perfectly adequate place to stand to watch the first putt. From her viewpoint Lee's second putt may have looked further than the reported 18 inches and she was perfectly justified in not conceding.
I do have one question that I don't know the answer to though and for me the sportsmanship thing rides on this.
As I don't have Sky I haven't seen any more of the match than this one incident but was Pettersen taking the lead in concessions as the senior partner or were both Europeans giving putts?
If Pettersen was taking the lead then I think Europe are absolutely justified in their actions in view of my third comment above.
If both were offering concessions then Lee was still in the wrong and it's down to the European team to act how they see fit and that's their call, USA have no comeback whatever Europe decide.
Crow
Crow Person
This clip suggests a bit of sneakiness from Pettersen though as it appears that she started walking off after the first putt.
see at 4.15 in the interview with the ref.
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/recapping-solheim-cup-controversy/
Maybe I should change my mind again!
see at 4.15 in the interview with the ref.
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/recapping-solheim-cup-controversy/
Maybe I should change my mind again!
pokerjoke
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Seems the ref was very clear of the situation.
wrighty1874
Journeyman Pro
Well done USA.You got the best motivational speech ever without a word being uttered.I played in a singles matchplay semi final on Friday and the opponent drove from in front of the markers and he'd realised his mistake when he pulled the tee out.I told him not to worry about it,I wouldn't want to claim a hole like that. Yesterday in a pairs final I accidentally dropped the top of my iron on my ball causing it to oscillate.They told me to forget it as I never offered a stroke.Todays scenario has sickened me and for the first time I cheered the Americans on.
