Solhiem Cup

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Junior said:
2. Europeans should NOT have been walking off the green if the ball was still in play.

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According to the ref they were walking across the green, not yet off it, so in my iopiniion the fault is solely with the Americans. What would they do if the boot was on the other foot? Exactly the same is my guess.
You don't pick up until someone tells you to, its a simple rule with absolutely no grey areas. USA have mucked up, they know it and as usual they want to blame everyone else for it.
I really hope Europe give them a sound beating today.
 
Ethan said:
Well, we all know the rules, but it appears not everyone knows about the spirit of the game or professional integrity.

The rules allowed Europe not to enforce the penalty, and to concede the 18th at any point before completion.
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They did and thankfully the European team didn't overlook the blatant penalty by choosing to use either option.
 
Rules are rules, and as such as long as the game it played within them it's case closed. If Lee had any doubt she should have asked......

Is it possible that she was so focused, she made a careless mistake?

Unfortunately like in most sports the yanks often dummy spit if it goes against them, and as per the chip in Europe normally get shafted and go with it.

There seems two different attitudes, if they thought it fair to go against the chip in then I'm not going to lose sleep over lee's MISTAKE!
 
bozza said:
Well said.

People seem to think sportsmanship comes before the rules, it doesn't, simple as that.

What about Dustin the other year at Whistling Straits where he grounded his club in a area he didn't realise was a bunker and misses the play off.

Out of "sportsmanship" do you think oh he's made a stupid mistake and didn't break the rules on purpose let's ignore the rules and let him get away with it.

It's a harsh lesson but I bet Lee will never do it again.
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Difference is Johnson is playing against the field whereas the yanks were playing against a European two-ball, who could have diffused the problem there, or on the 18th.

Nothing in the rule book about walking straight over your partners line, but players do it out of sportsmanship.

Have always admired golf as played by people that want to win, but want to win fairly. This leaves a sour taste.
 
FWIW I think the Europeans should have decided on a half for that hole.
Both teams are in the wrong.
USA inadvertantly broke the rules but Europe contravened the true spirit of a great team event.
Once the problem had arisen, the Europe team were the only ones who could have done something about it .................. and they didn't.
They missed a great PR opportunity there too.

Slime.
 
Ethan said:
In matchplay it is only a penalty if enforced, Mr Rules Guy. I bet you are a real joy to play golf with. Have you a stopwatch for ball searches?
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Are you admitting you look for longer than five minutes? That's the only logical conclusion from your post.
 
Slime said:
FWIW I think the Europeans should have decided on a half for that hole.
Both teams are in the wrong.
USA inadvertantly broke the rules but Europe contravened the true spirit of a great team event.
Once the problem had arisen, the Europe team were the only ones who could have done something about it .................. and they didn't.
They missed a great PR opportunity there too.

Slime.
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Europeans did nothing wrong and played the game within the rules of golf

Can't ask for anything more than that

If you believe they have broken something then please highlight which rule
 
Slime said:
FWIW I think the Europeans should have decided on a half for that hole.
Both teams are in the wrong.
USA inadvertantly broke the rules but Europe contravened the true spirit of a great team event.
Once the problem had arisen, the Europe team were the only ones who could have done something about it .................. and they didn't.
They missed a great PR opportunity there too.

Slime.
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Why should they be forced to take the hit when the mistake wasn't theirs? Put another spin on it would be if at the end of the even it was halved and that becomes the decider " you only one because of a charity give " ......

As it is it's clear, it's played within the rules.

The American team manager in the green knew it was lee's mistake with her expression.
 
Slime said:
USA inadvertantly broke the rules
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Has anyone actually heard the US team admit that their player broke the rule yet..?
Their anger is entirely focussed on the Sportsmanship angle, conveniently pushing aside the fact that Lee picked up without the putt being conceded.
 
So lee's mistake is because of poor sportsmanship, Typical Americans , always someone else's fault.

I lost my club champs match play final through a wrong call, there was a percentage of bad sportsmanship involved, but two facts were clear:

The error was MINE
Not knowing the rules clearly and not checking the rule online/via pro shop before proceeding was also MINE

In this case the error was LEES, she knew the rule.

Case closed.
 
Imurg said:
Has anyone actually heard the US team admit that their player broke the rule yet..?
Their anger is entirely focussed on the Sportsmanship angle, conveniently pushing aside the fact that Lee picked up without the putt being conceded.
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The slight was focused on Charlie for walking off the green and implying that the putt was conceded in doing so - hints of entrapment! I think this is what upset Charlie as well; she's mortified that her innocent act is being viewed this way. If entrapped then Lee was of entirely blameless in the eyes of the US Captain.

Then of course it's all the fault of the European Captain for not instructing her team to concede the last hole.....see earlier post for how his would mean that a mistake by the US player gained her team an advantage. Can really see the European Team appreciating their Captain's gesture of sportsmanship; no doubt they would have taken it even further in their singles games and rolled over completely!

I would just highlight that such issues are almost always simple at the single player level, you act as you feel comfortable knowing that everything that happened involves you ie feeling fully informed etc. Move it up to a basic pairs match and things get hugely complicated. You know you don't know everything that's been seen or said, the actions or intentions of your partner let alone both the opponents! Decisions affect others etc etc. 10x more difficult for simple solutions to be chosen and executed. Move up again to a club match and the consideration for how others on the team might react to what you do becomes debilitating.

Now make it an international televised event with a ref and a Captain....
 
I don't really care about the outcome of the cup, I'm just happy to see Mel Reid on my tellybox for 3 days :D
 
Hickory_Hacker said:
A drama over nothing. Dame Laura and Robert Lee are on the planet zorb, it wasn't conceded ... I'll see that putt in chubby :D
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Chubby? That's really hilarious :rolleyes:!
I'll see that putt in as I rudely walk off the green ..................... is that what you're saying?

Liverpoolphil said:
Europeans did nothing wrong and played the game within the rules of golf
Can't ask for anything more than that
If you believe they have broken something then please highlight which rule
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Yes they did, they walked off the green whilst their oponent's ball was still in play.

You'll have to do a whole lot better than that, Phil. I never said the Europeans had broken a rule, as well you know, merely that they weren't playing in the correct spirit of such an event.
Winning, for me, is not everything.
I'd sooner lose with dignity than win without dignity, maybe that's where we differ?

Slime.
 
They were still on the green when Lee picked up.
They were moving towards the edge, granted, but they hadn't left the green
Another point...
Petersen, being the senior partner, may well have been the one giving putts all the way round. Maybe, we don't know, she agreed with Charley that Suzann would make decisions on gimmees.
If so, after 16 previous holes I'd have been looking to Petersen for the decision and not assuming the putt was given by Charley moving away.
Bottom line is that Lee made the error.
 
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