Solhiem Cup

[Deleted member 16999]

Don't think the commentators help, continually going on about it and suggesting the reception in 2 years time over there will be "hostile" Let's just play the singles and see what the score ends up as.

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

What should also have happened was that Hull should have been allowed her birdie putt on 18 and if it had gone in then a lot of the controversy would have died down.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And I still don't know whats gone on...

A USA player picked their ball up on the green believing the put had been conceded, it hadn't, and Europe got the hole and the match, cue arguments etc, left a sour taste and seems to be overshadowing event.

 

[Kellfire]

So Lee's partner told her not to pick it up...

 

[Imurg]

Lee is apparently now saying she could have sworn she heard a concession.
Shouldn't they have stayed on the green and sorted it there before teeing off on the next hole..?
If she thought she heard a concession then she should have spoken up..

 

[jp5]

Poor from Europe there. Charley Hull stormed off with no interest in watching another putt.

Come on golf you're meant to be better than that!

 

[Ethan]

Pathetic from people not under that pressure to say Pettersen did anything wrong.

Sorry, are you not also sitting on your sofa commenting? Pathetic for people not under that pressure to say Petterson acted properly, perhaps?

 

[la_lucha]

Was Hull walking off the green or was she walking to Petterson to discuss if they should concede? Did they give the outcome of the hole or did the referee? Did the Europeans "steal" the hole or did the referee? Did the American pick up the ball before it was verbally conceded? I think the only question that really matters in terms of rules and spirit is the last one. Did the American pick up before the hole was verbally conceded?

 

[chellie]

A USA player picked their ball up on the green believing the put had been conceded, it hadn't, and Europe got the hole and the match, cue arguments etc, left a sour taste and seems to be overshadowing event.

Thanks

 

[Imurg]

OK, just seen it for the first time on SSNews
I can see how Lee may have thought that the girls were walking off but it looks to me like they were walking away from the line of sight for the next putt, getting out of the way...although they do seem to keep going...
But I can see that Lee could have thought it had been conceded.

 

[Kellfire]

Sorry, are you not also sitting on your sofa commenting? Pathetic for people not under that pressure to say Petterson acted properly, perhaps?

Yup. Difference being I have rules to back me up.

 

[bozza]

There you go, ref says they heard nothing or no indication to say the putt was conceded so Lee made a mistake and will learn from it.

Now let's move on.

 

[patricks148]

if the ref says nothing was conceded and he says it was a 2 foot putt. Us usual the USA crying when something does not go their way.

what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There you go, ref says they heard nothing or no indication to say the putt was conceded so Lee made a mistake and will learn from it.

Now let's move on.

Agreed.

 

[jp5]

There you go, ref says they heard nothing or no indication to say the putt was conceded so Lee made a mistake and will learn from it.

Now let's move on.

He also said the putt could have been conceded without any verabal or other indication from the Europeans!

It was only because they objected to it that he had to apply the penalty.

Though he also announced all square, so seems he may be have been confused himself.

 

[Junior]

The ref has just said he interviewed all parties, no one heard anything and the Europeans said that they never conceded the hole. So ....

1. Lee should not have picked the ball up without knowing it was conceded. Especially at that stage of the game.

2. Europeans should NOT have been walking off the green if the ball was still in play.

3. Europeans or Karen Coch should have acted at the time to call the hole a half.

 

[bozza]

He also said the putt could have been conceded without any verabal or other indication from the Europeans!

It was only because they objected to it that he had to apply the penalty.

Though he also announced all square, so seems he may be have been confused himself.

No he didn't, he said there was no indication from any European player, caddie, team member that it was conceded and that was confirmed by Lee's partner that she never heard or got any indication it had been conceded.

 

[delc]

A USA player picked their ball up on the green believing the put had been conceded, it hadn't, and Europe got the hole and the match, cue arguments etc, left a sour taste and seems to be overshadowing event.

The rules are quite clear on this. Never pick up a ball until the putt has been verbally conceded. If you are not sure, ask! Definitely Alison Lee's mistake.

 

[duncan mackie]

I can’t think of any way in which that could be done within the Rules. All that could be done, as far as I can see, would be for Europe to concede one of the singles matches - if, that is, there was a wish to find a way to neutralise a most unfortunate incident.

Indeed.

The real problem is that the one option that Europe would have wished for (to go back and have the putt played without penalty) isn't available.

They had a small windows of choice in which they could have agreed that the putt was conceded but that's hard to do in the moment when you have conciously decided not to do so - and there's also the suggestion that the player had already been warned over her actions in presuming concessions.

Conceding the 18th or a singles match gives the US player who was at fault a clear advantage from their action - hardly fair in any way at all.

Watching the refs explanation of events was refreshing - by the book in every way.

The comentators haven't done anything other than build the fires - picking up your ball rather than putting isn't a technicality any more than any other rule; it's the most basic premise of all forms of golf. However people do do it (one of our opponents did it last week!).

An unfortunate incident but absolutely nothing to compare to the cold calculated US action regarding the chipped in ball - only my opinion of course.

 

[bozza]

Indeed.

The real problem is that the one option that Europe would have wished for (to go back and have the putt played without penalty) isn't available.

They had a small windows of choice in which they could have agreed that the putt was conceded but that's hard to do in the moment when you have conciously decided not to do so - and there's also the suggestion that the player had already been warned over her actions in presuming concessions.

Conceding the 18th or a singles match gives the US player who was at fault a clear advantage from their action - hardly fair in any way at all.

Watching the refs explanation of events was refreshing - by the book in every way.

The comentators haven't done anything other than build the fires - picking up your ball rather than putting isn't a technicality any more than any other rule; it's the most basic premise of all forms of golf. However people do do it (one of our opponents did it last week!).

An unfortunate incident but absolutely nothing to compare to the cold calculated US action regarding the chipped in ball - only my opinion of course.

Well said.

People seem to think sportsmanship comes before the rules, it doesn't, simple as that.

What about Dustin the other year at Whistling Straits where he grounded his club in a area he didn't realise was a bunker and misses the play off.

Out of "sportsmanship" do you think oh he's made a stupid mistake and didn't break the rules on purpose let's ignore the rules and let him get away with it.

It's a harsh lesson but I bet Lee will never do it again.