SkY caddie- Offering advice

[3offTheTee]

If I have a Sky caddie and I tell a fellow competitor in a singles medal it is say 200 yards to the green is that offereing advice?

I assume it would be diiferent to my partner in a 4BBB and help could be given

 

[SammmeBee]

No (so yes you can tell hime)....it's the same if you you had a course guide and he didn't....

 

[Imurg]

Yardages are in the public domain so you can exchange info on that. Club selection isn't so you can't.

Which makes you wonder why there is such a hulla.........No I'm not going there...

 

[KeefG]

Might just be me being a selfish so-and-so, but why would you want to?

If he is a competitor and is in direct competition with you, why would you want to assist him as there is a chance your helping could gain him the win over you?

If he wants to know yardages let him buy his own GPS unit

 

[SammmeBee]

Might just be me being a selfish so-and-so, but why would you want to?

If he is a competitor and is in direct competition with you, why would you want to assist him as there is a chance your helping could gain him the win over you?

If he wants to know yardages let him buy his own GPS unit

Golf is a Gentleman's game...that's why....

 

[KeefG]

Might just be me being a selfish so-and-so, but why would you want to?

If he is a competitor and is in direct competition with you, why would you want to assist him as there is a chance your helping could gain him the win over you?

If he wants to know yardages let him buy his own GPS unit

Golf is a Gentleman's game...that's why....

I agree, but it is also, in the sense that the OP is questioning, a competition.

Would you see Tiger & Phil and/or their respective caddies asking or giving advice to each other?

Would you see John Terry offering advice to Wayne Rooney on where to plant a free kick?

Golf is a gentlemans game, but when it comes to competition its a different matter.

 

[SammmeBee]

I played in a competition yesterday...2 of us had lasers the other chap didn't...we talked about the pros and cons all day and he said he didn't need one....on the last he was level par and he was umming and arring between a 5 and 6 iron....he hit the 5 and it went into the flower beds and OOB...I had lasered it from level with him in the fairway and knew it was 159 to the flag so it was probably more like a 7....I think he has one now.......

If he had asked me I would have told him as he still has to put a swing on it and hit it....

 

[KeefG]

So, just say it was a stableford game and somehow you knew it was between you and him who wins the comp, you are both coming down the last on 40pts and neither have a shot on this hole. You carve your drive into the rough and have an awful lie with no hope of reaching the green in 2, your fellow competitor has split the fairway and has a much easier shot and every chance of hitting said green.

He asks you the distance to the green, and knowing that if you give him it the chances are you are going to lose, would you still give it?

 

[RGDave]

If I have a Sky caddie and I tell a fellow competitor in a singles medal it is say 200 yards to the green is that offering advice?

No, it's a point of fact, not advice.

Personally, if I had a score-saver or GPS I'd only give info if asked directly "do you know the yardage?" otherwise, it's up to my opponent to equip himself with his own method of doing the distances.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Personally in competitive play I will keep the information to myself (or my partner in a 4ball event) as I've found from bitter experience if you off the information once you'll be doing it all round and some people ask you a) at inopportune times as you're mentally assessing your shot) and b) from way over the other side of the fairway and expecting you to go over and measure.

 

[RGDave]

Personally in competitive play I will keep the information to myself (or my partner in a 4ball event) as I've found from bitter experience if you off the information once you'll be doing it all round and some people ask you a) at inopportune times as you're mentally assessing your shot) and b) from way over the other side of the fairway and expecting you to go over and measure.

Yes, it's a fair point. If I was the ruler of the world (which may still happen!!! not) I'd ban any discussion over distances (point of fact or not) in competitive golf.....just to save the aggro.

Nothing worse than saying, "oh yes, over 210 to the lake" and then seeing some numpty hit a 5 wood (which normally goes 200, say) hits 215 and then blames your reading.

....or is that nothing better?.....me thinks a devious plan....

 

[chipping]

I have been asked few times for distance`s from my skycaddie, I have been happy to give it but always offer the advice for them to make their own mind up,worried about being blamed for a poor judgement on their behalf.
On another note best thing I have ever bought for my game,just takes the guess work out and has made my approach shots more on target,even take it out when practicing on my own.

 

[USER1999]

I am not sure you should offer anything unless asked. If asked, then yes, I would give the info, but offer, no.

 

[edgey]

If I have a Sky caddie and I tell a fellow competitor in a singles medal it is say 200 yards to the green is that offereing advice?

I assume it would be diiferent to my partner in a 4BBB and help could be given

My undersdtanding is that whilst yardage is public information, IF it is obtained by a GPS/Laser it is a 2 shot penalty to ask/offer it. I am not a big Rule Nazi so please feel free to check it.

Edgey

 

[jammydodger]

I also have a feeling that you cant ask for the yardage from someone elses gps. I think you can look at it if its there in front of you on your oppos trolley/bag but I dont think you can ask to see it.

 

[3offTheTee]

Guys.
There seems to be a difference of opinion here.

There MUST BE someone who can quote the relative rule or come up with an answer please

 

[Imurg]

Copied stright from the definitions pages of the rule book.

Advice
“Advice’’ is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.
Information on the Rules, distance or matters of public information, such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, is not advice.

So if you say to your opponent "It's 173 yards to the middle of the green" You are not giving advice. But if you add "So that's a 5 iron then" that would constitute advice. Same goes for distances to bunkers and other hazards.

Bit of a conflict here because to give a (correct)yardage, you must be influencing the club to be used, but under the definitions distance is not giving advice.
I think this is one for Jezz to put to Peter Dawson next time he's up there.

 

[pro_slice]

Copied stright from the definitions pages of the rule book.

Advice
“Advice’’ is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.
Information on the Rules, distance or matters of public information, such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, is not advice.

So if you say to your opponent "It's 173 yards to the middle of the green" You are not giving advice. But if you add "So that's a 5 iron then" that would constitute advice. Same goes for distances to bunkers and other hazards.

Bit of a conflict here because to give a (correct)yardage, you must be influencing the club to be used, but under the definitions distance is not giving advice.
I think this is one for Jezz to put to Peter Dawson next time he's up there.

saying its 100 yards to a flag is quite basic information. The flag could be uphill, downhill, have a bunker or water at the front/back, the wind could be blowing, the lie could be good or bad (you get the point). there are many more factors to deciding on what club to use, so knowing distance is quite a small factor really

 

[Imurg]

But is the yardage not the starting point? 100 yards to go means I start with my gap wedge. Then I take into account everything else. If I thought it was 90 yards I'd start with my SW. So it is influencing the choice. Not disagreeing with you but you get my point?

 

[pro_slice]

obviously the yardage will influence what you will initially think to reach for but its not the "be all and end all" of club choice