Signed an incorrect score query

[Farneyman]

Off the back of another thread, which I don't want to disturb, what is the correct rule if you sign for a 5 when you had a 4?

For the sake of argument the total score was a 95 when it should have been a 94.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The score stands that you signed if it was more than you actually had - if it was less then believe it's DQ - but would need 100% clarification on that

 

[rulefan]

Off the back of another thread, which I don't want to disturb, what is the correct rule if you sign for a 5 when you had a 4?

For the sake of argument the total score was a 95 when it should have been a 94.

The total is irrelevant. The player is only required to record the gross score for the individual holes.

No penalty if too high, the recorded score stands. DQ if too low.

Rule 6-6d

 

[palindromicbob]

The score stands that you signed if it was more than you actually had - if it was less then believe it's DQ - but would need 100% clarification on that

The score does indeed stand in a case when the score returned is higher than it should have been. Was it really so hard to look at the rules and quote 6-6 d.

Beaten to it by Rulefan.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The score does indeed stand in a case when the score returned is higher than it should have been. Was it really so hard to look at the rules and quote 6-6 d.

So I was right then - cool :thup:

 

[palindromicbob]

So I was right then - cool :thup:

Yes you were but you could have avoided sowing any doubt by either quoting the rule or simply not answering.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes you were but you could have avoided sowing any doubt by either quoting the rule or simply not answering.

Does it really matter ?

I gave what I thought was the ruling

 

[Maninblack4612]

A few years ago one of our former County Champions scored 105 in the County Championship when his marker inserted his second nine score in the 18th hole. Then there was Roberto De Vicenza in the 1968 Masters who threw away the right to a playoff by signing for an incorrect score.

 

[jusme]

The score stands that you signed if it was more than you actually had - if it was less then believe it's DQ - but would need 100% clarification on that

There was a change where DQ is not always the case as per above. Will cut and paste to avoid misleading -

The Royal & Ancient Golf Club and U.S. Golf Association announced changes to the 2016 edition of the Rules of Golf, which is updated every four years.

Players will avoid disqualification if the incorrect scorecard is the result of penalty strokes they didn't know about when they finished their rounds. The penalty also was softened for players using artificial devices, such as training aids, in the middle of the round.

The new rules take effect Jan. 1. 2016

 

[Farneyman]

The total is irrelevant. The player is only required to record the gross score for the individual holes.

No penalty if too high, the recorded score stands. DQ if too low.

Rule 6-6d

So how would this impact your handicap if, for the sake of arguing (and some folk here dont half enjoy arguing) as in my example the 95 missed buffer by 1 but a 94 would have me making buffer...hope that makes sense.

Is it tough titty or can you get your handicap changed once you realise your mistake?

 

[TheJezster]

No in that instance you scored 95 so missed buffer.

 

[rulefan]

The post above is wrong.

The DQ still applies but the score should be corrected and will be accepted as the qualifying score. In this case 94.

See CONGU Appendix P Table 1.
But also see Note 2

 

[delc]

The post above is wrong.

The DQ still applies but the score should be corrected and will be accepted as the qualifying score. In this case 94.

See CONGU Appendix P Table 1.
But also see Note 2

You would not be D/Q'd for signing for a higher gross score than you actually scored on a given hole, but the higher score would have to stand, as per Rule 6.6d. Would other penalty shots be removed for handicapping purposes? I rather doubt it!

 

[Farneyman]

No in that instance you scored 95 so missed buffer.

The post above is wrong.

The DQ still applies but the score should be corrected and will be accepted as the qualifying score. In this case 94.

See CONGU Appendix P Table 1.
But also see Note 2

Thanks...one final question...how long since the end of the comp can this happen(the correction)...is there a time limit for example?

 

[rulefan]

Thanks...one final question...how long since the end of the comp can this happen(the correction)...is there a time limit for example?

If the correction is made before the last card is returned the score is included in the CSS. Otherwise it is counted as an NR for CSS purposed.
There appears to be no limit applied when adjusting the player's handicap record.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So how would this impact your handicap if, for the sake of arguing (and some folk here dont half enjoy arguing) as in my example the 95 missed buffer by 1 but a 94 would have me making buffer...hope that makes sense.

Is it tough titty or can you get your handicap changed once you realise your mistake?

See clause 17 note 2 in the congu handbook

"For handicap adjustment and record purposes the entry of an incorrect score on any hole or an
incorrect handicap must be corrected. Where no handicap is recorded the correct Playing
Handicap must be applied."

 

[HawkeyeMS]

You would not be D/Q'd for signing for a higher gross score than you actually scored on a given hole, but the higher score would have to stand, as per Rule 6.6d. Would other penalty shots be removed for handicapping purposes? I rather doubt it!

It stands for the competition but should be adjusted for handicap, and what have penalty shots got to do with it?

 

[delc]

Interesting point. I have seen players who have been D/Q'd for putting an incorrectly high handicap, or no handicap or no name at all on the card, or other breaches of the rules, still getting a Handicap cut on the corrected score with the correct handicap applied. However signing for a higher score than actually taken is not a D/Q offence, the higher score just has to stand. If you have scoring and handicapping software, I don't think it will allow you put 2 scores in for one hole. If you put the higher score in, then the player won't get his handicap cut, if you put the lower score in it will mess up the results. So what are you supposed to do? I would think getting the results correct, but making a manual handicap adjustment (is this allowed?) or writing to CONGU are the only options?

 

[rulefan]

I would think getting the results correct, but making a manual handicap adjustment (is this allowed?)

Yes but there are procedures in the software for this situation.

 

[Farneyman]

Maybe time to invest in one of these :rofl: