Should those in the public eye resign for breaking lockdown rules?

pauldj42 said:
Yes, along with the tory MP’s who broke the rules and politicians from any other party as well.
This isn’t a Labour v tory issue as some would like to make out.
One further question do Kinnock or Ali have any say in Government policy?
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I'm not aware of any other Mps of any political persuasion but please add them if there are.
They are MPs Cummings isn't but that's not important, if they broke the rules surley they need to resign, in a way it's worse for Mps of any party. But what I can't understand is why they are not getting the same level of media attention and why are people on here not angry that theyre not been told to go.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The Scottish case revolved around the fact that no one would take Calderwoods advice seriously in any future statements.
Same applies to Cummings IMO
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Cummings doesn’t give advice, he, I believe shapes policy based on advice given. He does big picture stuff.
I don’t especially like him, he seems like a bit of an entitled knob, but all of the hysteria is politically motivated.
They will be some who feel aggrieved because of personal circumstance, but the majority of this pious outrage is faux, politically driven nonsense.
IMO.
Pretty sure there are more important things to dominate the news agenda
 
Beezerk said:
I'm now just waiting for football clubs to sack all the players who broke the lockdown rules...

That was a joke btw before anyone jumps down my throat ;)
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If Kyle Walker, Jack Grealish etc are advising the govt on lockdown policy then we really are in trouble ? ?. Until then, they are just in the category marked footballer and we just add a few rolling eye emojis and get on with thing??? ?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If Kyle Walker, Jack Grealish etc are advising the govt on lockdown policy then we really are in trouble ? ?. Until then, they are just in the category marked footballer and we just add a few rolling eye emojis and get on with thing??? ?
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Do you know Cummings advises on lockdown procedure.
 
SocketRocket said:
I'm not aware of any other Mps of any political persuasion but please add them if there are.
They are MPs Cummings isn't but that's not important, if they broke the rules surley they need to resign, in a way it's worse for Mps of any party. But what I can't understand is why they are not getting the same level of media attention and why are people on here not angry that theyre not been told to go.
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Jenrick for one, PM? Is Chequers his official home? and currently it’s been 3 Days on cummings, Kinnock was over a month ago.

Are you seriously suggesting you don’t see a difference between somebody on the inside of government policy at the highest level and an opposition MP.

Why was the scientist removed?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The Scottish case revolved around the fact that no one would take Calderwoods advice seriously in any future statements.
Same applies to Cummings IMO
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Well if that's the only thing that matters, then he's safe! He's BoJo's advisor and Bojo has expressed confidence in him, so that's all that counts!
Not my idea of 'appropriate', but not my decision! However, I don't expect 'the Press' to give up easily on what has now become something of a 'willy-waving contest'!
 
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SocketRocket said:
Do you know Cummings advises on lockdown procedure.
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He is the senior advisor to the pm, he attends appropriate meetings although we are told he does not speak. This is the number one issue right now for this govt. It would be pretty surprising if he did not make the odd suggestion. If he didn't then what else is he advising on right now?
 
SocketRocket said:
Do you know Cummings advises on lockdown procedure.
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Considering he was pushing herd immunity and sits on sage (without being a scientist) then yes he does advise on the lock down

His pushing of herd to protect the economy pushed lockdown back a few weeks.
 
therod said:
Cummings doesn’t give advice, he, I believe shapes policy based on advice given. He does big picture stuff.
I don’t especially like him, he seems like a bit of an entitled knob, but all of the hysteria is politically motivated.
They will be some who feel aggrieved because of personal circumstance, but the majority of this pious outrage is faux, politically driven nonsense.
IMO.
Pretty sure there are more important things to dominate the news agenda
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How do you explain the opinions of the tory mp’s who have publicly stated he should resign or the scientists who have spoken out?
 
SocketRocket said:
I'm not aware of any other Mps of any political persuasion but please add them if there are.
They are MPs Cummings isn't but that's not important, if they broke the rules surley they need to resign, in a way it's worse for Mps of any party. But what I can't understand is why they are not getting the same level of media attention and why are people on here not angry that theyre not been told to go.
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So it’s just a case of whataboutery ?

Can you really not understand why Cummings would be getting a lot more media attention than others ?
 
therod said:
Cummings doesn’t give advice, he, I believe shapes policy based on advice given. He does big picture stuff.
I don’t especially like him, he seems like a bit of an entitled knob, but all of the hysteria is politically motivated.
They will be some who feel aggrieved because of personal circumstance, but the majority of this pious outrage is faux, politically driven nonsense.
IMO.
Pretty sure there are more important things to dominate the news agenda
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He gives advice on shaping policy then.:unsure::love:
 
PaulS said:
So it’s just a case of whataboutery ?

Can you really not understand why Cummings would be getting a lot more media attention than others ?
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I can understand and my understanding is that it's uneven attention. I wouldn't like to see anyone having to experience the way the media have hounded him.
 
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pauldj42 said:
Jenrick for one, PM? Is Chequers his official home? and currently it’s been 3 Days on cummings, Kinnock was over a month ago.

Are you seriously suggesting you don’t see a difference between somebody on the inside of government policy at the highest level and an opposition MP.
Why was the scientist removed?
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Breaking rules either requires people in politics resigning or it doesn't, you say it's not party political but can you imagine what would happen if it was Reese Mogg instead of Kinnock.
 
SocketRocket said:
I can understand and my understanding is that it's uneven attention. I wouldn't like to see anyone having to experience way the media have hounded him.
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It’s not really new though , public figures have been hounded by the media for decades.

The Aide to the PM and indeed the PM himself have shot themselves in the foot, the media are hounding him because of his actions of which for many are unforgivable. The Aide is a very public and was at the heart of the recent Brexit issues and clearly seems to be very trusted by the PM , so much so that he is happy to excuse behaviour that he has pleaded with the General public to avoid.

There have been growing dissatisfaction towards the government in regards their handling of this pandemic , any good they have done keeps getting overshadowed by the bad. You can’t get much worse than someone who helped make the rules goes on to break the rules

And shows how highly the PM rates when he is about it go in front of the cameras.

Right now we should be looking at the positives- 77 new deaths down significantly, we seem to be moving to new phases relaxing restrictions but instead the talk is about an Aide
 
PaulS said:
It’s not really new though , public figures have been hounded by the media for decades.

The Aide to the PM and indeed the PM himself have shot themselves in the foot, the media are hounding him because of his actions of which for many are unforgivable. The Aide is a very public and was at the heart of the recent Brexit issues and clearly seems to be very trusted by the PM , so much so that he is happy to excuse behaviour that he has pleaded with the General public to avoid.

There have been growing dissatisfaction towards the government in regards their handling of this pandemic , any good they have done keeps getting overshadowed by the bad. You can’t get much worse than someone who helped make the rules goes on to break the rules

And shows how highly the PM rates when he is about it go in front of the cameras.

Right now we should be looking at the positives- 77 new deaths down significantly, we seem to be moving to new phases relaxing restrictions but instead the talk is about an Aide
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Most of that is opinion, you are of course entitled to it but it's not an opinion I agree with and I guess I am also entitled to my opinion.

I have said a number of times here that if Cummins broke the rules he should be dealt with accordingly just like some MPs who broke the rules.
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
He is the senior advisor to the pm, he attends appropriate meetings although we are told he does not speak. This is the number one issue right now for this govt. It would be pretty surprising if he did not make the odd suggestion. If he didn't then what else is he advising on right now?
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Do you think he gets involved with making any of the detail in the lockdown rules.
 
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