But they must have been winning/contending - otherwise they wouldn't have been invited to the Masters as it's apparently so difficult!!
But they must have been winning/contending - otherwise they wouldn't have been invited to the Masters as it's apparently so difficult!!
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And Leishman won once on the PGA - Fleetwood has won once already and Pepperall come close a number of times
Both players have the ability to challenge in Majors - as do most of the Tour Pro Golfers
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Why has the ranking points been spread around evenly before ?
Jordan Spieth had 24 top 10s before he won the Masters! As you so often say, start backing stuff up with proof.
BTatHome
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Having equal ranking points across tours sounds obvious but then you'll get players jetting across to play the Asian tour event with the least quality field in order to gain ranking points to get into big events. It's bad enough when certain players go visiting the Far East to play in their events because of sponsor commitments.
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2014 was his first time at the Masters
Up until the middle of 2013 he was relying on sponser invites until he got his first win which gained him an invite to the rest of the comps and his career went from there.
The guys on the ET are contending on that tour but because of the weighting it doesn't gain them automatic invites.
The point being players like Pepperell and Fleetwood and Pieters are talented players who shouldn't dimissed as potential major challengers because their situation is no different to Spieths a couple years back
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I think initially it would start that way but in the end it would level out
Tongo
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Or players suffering from burn out cos they have to be forever travelling ridiculous mileage just to try and keep up.
Should the same happen in football? Should each and every European country get 1 entry for the Champions League? Would that really make it a better spectacle and increase the quality of the tournament?
Should each continent get an equal number of World Cup spots?
Saying 1 tour shouldnt dominate is the equivalent of saying the above. Would you really agree with the OWGR if someone won 5 times in Asia against weak fields that propelled them to number 1 in the world?? It would make a mockery of the whole system. The best players play in the PGA tour, and therefore rightly most ranking points are awarded there.
As for the Masters being a major, for me its a yes. Some valid points raised against its past, but then if the the Opens truly were Open then women would have always been able to qualify. So by using it's past inequality to beat the Masters with a stick, people surely have to apply the same logic to The Open - which is obviously pretty stupid.
Liverbirdie
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Maybe another poll could be:-
Would you tweak the masters, or introduce a new major?
I doubt more than 5% of golfers would go for the latter.
Would you tweak the masters, or introduce a new major?
I doubt more than 5% of golfers would go for the latter.
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How many Americans bothered even coming to the Open before 1960 and the OWGR didn't exist before 1986.
Professional players will always gravitate towards the best prizes
Otherwise McIlroy, Rose, Garcia, Stenson etc; would still be regulars on the European Tour
It is self-perpetuating in that the prizes attract the players and the quality of the field will dictate the ranking points a player can achieve
Best footballers want to play in the PL because that is where the money is, same with golf players want to play where they can earn the most
Tongo
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And despite all the inequalities and the bias toward the American pros Europe enjoyed a golden period from 1980-99. Yet in the age where more European players play on the PGA Tour none of them have managed to claim a green jacket. Maybe there was more hunger in the likes of Seve, Faldo, Woosie et al to go to the States and succeed.
Jordan Spieth got his PGA tour card in March 2013, aged 19, which had nothing to do with his first win.
Nobody is dismissing Pepperell, Fleetwood and Pieters as talented players. But they aren't talented enough to currently get in The Masters field. It would need to be extended to the point of it being a bit of a joke should Pepperell get in - he hasnt won anything and is well outside the Top 100. Fleetwood hasnt won in 18 months and is going through some horrible form.
Pieters I will give you - unfortunately for him the tournament probably came a couple of months too early. However - he had the same chance to get invited/qualify as anyone else - when the pressure was on him at the Arnold Palmer and WGC matchplay, knowing a Top 10 would probably get him in the field, he didnt perform. So he had the chance but wasnt good enough.
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Sorry but think each sport should be treated in its own way - don't think it's comparable across different sports especially when the make up is so different
As I said I believe the fields would balance themselves out and events would find their standing
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So was the answer to my question - the ranking points haven't ever been spread around and based on the events as opposed to the players so it's hard to say exactly what the players would do
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Spieth was given full playing rights after winning the John Deere in July 2013
The changes j would like to make is add in qualfiying comps like the Open which gives players outside the Top 50 the chance to qualify because it's hard for them to accumulate World Ranking points because they don't play on the PGA Tour
In total it would prob add another 10-12 players to the field from around the globe
Smiffy
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You know the thing that amazes me.....
Liverpoolphil has got 32 posts on this thread.....
Liverpoolphil has got 32 posts on this thread.....
I really can't see what all this fuss is about. There are some factual errors (top twenty on the Asion OOM #67) and a lot of debate about it "not being fair" to up and coming golfers and European players. It is what it is, an invitational with major status and arguably did an awaful lot back in the day to raise the profile of golf in the US and in fact the viewing public probably bought in more because it was open to the best players of the day, held on the same course etc etc
In essence it's no different to a WGC event which is exclusive to the top 50/60/64 depending on format and gives no distinction to European or US players not in there by right or even to former winners. In which case should they also then be changed to become more accessible to all players. If you are an Aisian player, somehow being unfairly squeezed by world ranking points on their tour, it's simple. Play well enough to win the OOM, or come and compete on the other main tours and increase your world ranking. There is ample opportunity to qualify for the Open and US Open woroldwide
The Masters is unique. It won't change anytime soon an all this debate about it not being fair isn't going to make any difference and invites will always be issued purely on the whim of the Augusta committee. It never fails to produce fantastic golf. Again, the argument that there would be players not invited who'd have a real chance is mute. There same could be said of the field assembled and of any competition. Chances are, most on any given week won't make it, but sometimes we get these fairy tales and Augusta has produced it's share.
In essence it's no different to a WGC event which is exclusive to the top 50/60/64 depending on format and gives no distinction to European or US players not in there by right or even to former winners. In which case should they also then be changed to become more accessible to all players. If you are an Aisian player, somehow being unfairly squeezed by world ranking points on their tour, it's simple. Play well enough to win the OOM, or come and compete on the other main tours and increase your world ranking. There is ample opportunity to qualify for the Open and US Open woroldwide
The Masters is unique. It won't change anytime soon an all this debate about it not being fair isn't going to make any difference and invites will always be issued purely on the whim of the Augusta committee. It never fails to produce fantastic golf. Again, the argument that there would be players not invited who'd have a real chance is mute. There same could be said of the field assembled and of any competition. Chances are, most on any given week won't make it, but sometimes we get these fairy tales and Augusta has produced it's share.
Fyldewhite
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Agree 100%....and currently 86% of forum members think it should be a major and I suspect the vast majority of those would be quite happy with the way it is and the way it's always been. We can argue all day about "fairness", "regional qualifiers", "past winners", "contenders" etc.......but I'm off to flog my dead horse.
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Not hard at all.
The best players in golf as in any professional sport will always go where the financial rewards are greatest and the OWGR points will take care of themselves.
Back in the mid-90's there was talk of Greg Norman and Fox TV starting a world tour but the other players were noticeably unenthusiastic.
Commissioner Finchem will protect the product that is the PGA Tour and ensure nothing is done that could weaken it. The administrators of the OWGR seem quite happy with the status quo so unless there is demand from either the sponsors or TV networks it is hard to see it ever changing.
As a group professional sportsmen seem notoriously change resistant unless they can see some personal advantage in that change so the big name players are unlikely to want to instigate the sort of change you are advocating.
As there is no real world governing body for the pro' game it is, therefore, difficult to see anything being too different in the future.
