Carry a rule book with you; then you can show them rule 27-1a, which applies in this case.
Should the ball go back on the tee ?
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BrizoH71
Tour Rookie
Carry a rule book with you; then you can show them rule 27-1a, which applies in this case.
Which is exactly what I did, only I used 20-5.
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hovis
Tour Winner
I bet that was hilarious to witness
Colin L
Tour Winner
Carry a rule book with you; then you can show them rule 27-1a, which applies in this case.
The reason BrisoH71 would refer to 20-5, Del, is that 27-1a does not actually say that you can tee your ball up. 27-1a tells us what we can do; 20-5 tells us how to do it.
pogle
Head Pro
And this is exactly why I wondered how many people would actually know the rule - present company excepted, obviously.
I think most golfers know that you can re-tee the ball up for '3 off the tee' or a provisional ball from the teeing ground, even if they don't know the exact rules. At least that has been my experience.
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Deleted member 15717
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Surely you can't just pick your ball up and re-tee it. I know 20-5 says you can elect to play the ball from previous place, and obviously it is going to be under penalty...but shouldn't there be an underlying reason for it?
I guess I'll answer my own question and say, because the rule book doesn't say you have to have a reason...?!
rulefan
Tour Winner
The wording of the rule gives the player free rein.
The player may deem his ball unplayable at any place on the course, except when the ball is in a water hazard. The player is the sole judge as to whether his ball is unplayable.
Colin L
Tour Winner
The player will no doubt have an underlying reason for playing under stroke and distance, but the Rules take no interest in what that reason is. In addition to the freedom to deem your ball unplayable anywhere, anytime, Rule 27-1 permits you to play from where you played your previous shot (stroke and distance) without giving a reason.
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Unless there is a local rule to the contrary, you can only tee the ball up within the teeing ground and for your first shot with the original, second, or provisional ball. If you elect to take a stroke and distance penalty you return the ball (or a substitute ball) to its previous position, which includes being teed up on the teeing ground.
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rulefan
Tour Winner
Regardless of how it was originally placed (on a tee or on the ground), the player may choose to play off a tee or off the ground this time. This may be anywhere within the teeing ground.
20-5 When a player elects or is required to make his next stroke from where a previous stroke was made, he must proceed as follows:
(a) On the Teeing Ground: The ball to be played must be played from within the teeing ground. It may be played from anywhere within the teeing ground and may be teed.
Incidentally, which Local Rule permits you to tee up a ball?
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Teeing the ball up in a teeing ground is always optional, in that you are not forced to do so, and some players don't at par-3's. However, if you are going to hit a driver, you might as well do so.
I have come across such a local rule at courses with new fairways, or fairways in very poor condition, in order to protect them. Although I was not a member at the time, I understand that my present club had such a rule for the first few months after it was first opened in the mid 1990's.
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Colin L
Tour Winner
Interesting, but for your information, Del, allowing the ball to be teed up on fairways would not be a legitimate Local Rule and would make any competition non-qualifying. It would be better in my view to require fairway mats to be used, as these have legitimacy. That legitimacy might be confined to winter months meaning you’d need a dispensation from your local Association to use them at other times - that’s not definite and I don’t have my CONGU manual to hand to check, sorry.
Spuddy
Challenge Tour Pro
I've never understood why anywhere would say you need to tee it up on a fairway for reasons of protection. I take a divot whether it's teed up or not...
rulefan
Tour Winner
As Colin says, such a Local Rule is unauthorised. However, fairway mats are approved.
Apparently it took a while to get the grass growing on some of the fairways when our course was first opened. They may have removed the local rule for qualifiers. I will ask some of the founder members if they can remember what happened.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
You can quote the rule if you know it but I think if you know something that most people know - like you can tee up a provisional when playing one from the tee - that exemplifies the ruling - then that helps the other player(s) agree to and accept what you are doing.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed - so plenty of scope for using S&D when you simply don't fancy the shot that you have left yourself with - nothing to do with it being 'unplayable' - I'm guessing since trying to define 'unplayable' would be a nightmare. The practicality or actuality of a ball being 'unplayable' in the eyes of a player in certain circumstances is however dealt with (e.g. in water hazard) but no definition of what it is for a ball to be 'unplayable' is provided.
That a Player is able to take S&D at ANY time is always a good thing to remember - though your PPs or opponent may feel you are not playing 'in the spirit of the game' - again whatever that is. But tough. You can.
LincolnShep
Head Pro
:rofl: - good point!
