should she be allowed back in the UK?

[Hobbit]

Wow, coincidentally played golf yesterday with a lawyer who apparently knew about a Bangladeshi citizenship bill! Case closed I reckon.

Now, just imagine if someone on here had a daughter who is a Lawyer, that may or may not be working for the Government at a high level, anyone got any ideas? Anyone? Hobbit, what about you fella? Any ideas.

If we're having a willy waving contest... I might know a barrister or two, one of which might be my daughter who might have been voted UK's #1 employed barrister last year, and that might be Senior Civil Servants...

I'd love to quote chapter and verse but in all honesty I very rarely discuss their work, and definitely not now with the daughter's current role. What I will say is that having heard her talking to her husband, the other Senior Civil Servant, about things like advice and where they get it and how its qualified.

Knee jerk reactions and played out in the media... someone doesn't know how the Civil Service works. In fact, bloody clueless.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Knee jerk reactions and played out in the media... someone doesn't know how the Civil Service works. In fact, bloody clueless.

But has the moral high ground again

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s a shame some are starting to get a bit too personal - can we not on this forum just for once have a debate where people’s opinions are respected even if you don’t agree with them and they may not have the same “knowledge” as others - maybe it’s a picture of the world these days - lack of respect for others views and some people “have” to find a way to demean them

Anyway a great article from the Guardian ,I don’t know what side of the fence they are on ? But I’m sure someone with more clue will let me know

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...st?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

Also this thread on Twitter has some really good stuff on it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1098150749454983168

 

[Fish]

It’s a shame some are starting to get a bit too personal - can we not on this forum just for once have a debate where people’s opinions are respected even if you don’t agree with them and they may not have the same “knowledge” as others - maybe it’s a picture of the world these days - lack of respect for others views and some people “have” to find a way to demean them

Anyway a great article from the Guardian ,I don’t know what side of the fence they are on ? But I’m sure someone with more clue will let me know

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...st?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

Also this thread on Twitter has some really good stuff on it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1098150749454983168

The'yre left, a bit more left than is comfortable for me, so right up Corbyns street, and Galey is as left as they come,

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If we're having a willy waving contest... I might know a barrister or two, one of which might be my daughter who might have been voted UK's #1 employed barrister last year, and that might be Senior Civil Servants...

I'd love to quote chapter and verse but in all honesty I very rarely discuss their work, and definitely not now with the daughter's current role. What I will say is that having heard her talking to her husband, the other Senior Civil Servant, about things like advice and where they get it and how its qualified.

Knee jerk reactions and played out in the media... someone doesn't know how the Civil Service works. In fact, bloody clueless.

Agreed mate, just find it a bit odd that if someone was having a discussion on any topic with those they choose, they would start by mentioning they were suspicious of what’s going on and perhaps mention they had discussed it with a more knowledgeable professional at the start, not suddenly remember it 12 hours later when others asked questions.

If I was cynical I might even suspect I didn’t believe them.

 

[Hobbit]

It’s a shame some are starting to get a bit too personal - can we not on this forum just for once have a debate where people’s opinions are respected even if you don’t agree with them and they may not have the same “knowledge” as others - maybe it’s a picture of the world these days - lack of respect for others views and some people “have” to find a way to demean them

Anyway a great article from the Guardian ,I don’t know what side of the fence they are on ? But I’m sure someone with more clue will let me know

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...st?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

Also this thread on Twitter has some really good stuff on it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1098150749454983168

I don't respect your opinion on this Phil because it is shallow and reads more like a Red Top banner headline. I posted facts yet you continually said the govt got it wrong. Facts Phil, not opinions, but you continued to deny them. If you want respect, you need to earn it. I'll respect your considered opinions, and defend your right to express them and I'll happily debate opinions but I won't defend your denial of facts. And after posting up the facts several times... I wonder why people get frustrated with you. You never admit you got it wrong.

Do I think the govt acted legally? Yes, and the facts support that.

Do I think the govt have acted correctly? That takes us full circle back to a debate on opinions and 15 year old girls being brainwashed. Now if you want a debate on what's morally right about the issue we can have at it all day.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't respect your opinion on this Phil because it is shallow and reads more like a Red Top banner headline. I posted facts yet you continually said the govt got it wrong. Facts Phil, not opinions, but you continued to deny them. If you want respect, you need to earn it. I'll respect your considered opinions, and defend your right to express them and I'll happily debate opinions but I won't defend your denial of facts. And after posting up the facts several times... I wonder why people get frustrated with you. You never admit you got it wrong.

Which “fact” did I deny ?

Do I think the govt acted legally? Yes, and the facts support that.

And I believe they have acted in haste without fully ensuring everything is correct

Do I think the govt have acted correctly? That takes us full circle back to a debate on opinions and 15 year old girls being brainwashed. Now if you want a debate on what's morally right about the issue we can have at it all day.

Sorry but I not once tried to disclaim any of your “facts” about the legality of her being a Bangladesh Citizen - can you show me just once where I said you were wrong about the facts you were posting about her Citizenship- not once did I refute it even though you posted a number of times.

Your opinion is just that an opinion the same as mine - you believe the government acted one way , i respect your opinion but as you unable to do the same there is no point discussing it further

 

[bobmac]

It's a beautiful day outside.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

As long as our resident ISIS apologist doesn't come along.

 

[bluewolf]

If I wasn't so busy, I might point out that there is a significant difference between "Giving advice" and "Taking advice".. But I'm really really busy.. So I won't.....

 

[SocketRocket]

No doubt the Bangladesh Government could also be wrong or they have also acted rashly on emotions

For me the biggest issue is the lack of communication between the two governments - it’s all being played out in the media when it shouldn’t be.

This should all be going on in the background with none of us knowing anything until a final decision is made so there is no about turns.

The Home Office made a complete mess when dealing with Hamza ( 8 years was it ? ) - it just seems complete incompetence to play this out in the media.

You missed out that the press have latched onto this and reported it, whats that got to do with the Government. Should the Government try to gag them?

 

[Pathetic Shark]

And now Corbyn says she should be allowed back into the UK. Well he does usually side with the terrorists.

 

[Hobbit]

The Home Office made a complete mess when dealing with Hamza ( 8 years was it ? ) - it just seems complete incompetence to play this out in the media.

Arrested late 2004. Convicted early 2006, and jailed. Less than 2 years.

Whilst this was ongoing there was an extradition request from the USA. The UK agreed to the extradition but it was blocked by European Court of Human Rights, the reason being that the US justice system was deemed to be too harsh. The block was lifted when assurances were given as to Hamza's treatment in the US.

What complete mess?

 

[Tashyboy]

If we're having a willy waving contest... I might know a barrister or two, one of which might be my daughter who might have been voted UK's #1 employed barrister last year, and that might be Senior Civil Servants...

I'd love to quote chapter and verse but in all honesty I very rarely discuss their work, and definitely not now with the daughter's current role. What I will say is that having heard her talking to her husband, the other Senior Civil Servant, about things like advice and where they get it and how its qualified.

Knee jerk reactions and played out in the media... someone doesn't know how the Civil Service works. In fact, bloody clueless.

It pains me to say that if this is a willy waving competition I am out. Hobbits is bigger than mine. ☹️

 

[Tashyboy]

Arrested late 2004. Convicted early 2006, and jailed. Less than 2 years.

Whilst this was ongoing there was an extradition request from the USA. The UK agreed to the extradition but it was blocked by European Court of Human Rights, the reason being that the US justice system was deemed to be too harsh. The block was lifted when assurances were given as to Hamza's treatment in the US.

What complete mess?

Hobbit bugger off, all your facts are taking the fun out of this topic 😘

Oh hang on no there not. 👍

 

[Fade and Die]

Arrested late 2004. Convicted early 2006, and jailed. Less than 2 years.

Whilst this was ongoing there was an extradition request from the USA. The UK agreed to the extradition but it was blocked by European Court of Human Rights, the reason being that the US justice system was deemed to be too harsh. The block was lifted when assurances were given as to Hamza's treatment in the US.

What complete mess?

BOSH! Have that!😁

 

[Foxholer]

Worth a read to get a bit more clarification about reasons for arrest etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

And here's a bit more comment about the entire episode! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/20/abu-hamza-arrest-take-so-long-us-terrorism-charges

 

[Slime]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47229181#share-tools

Thoughts please.

No, she shouldn't be allowed back.

 

[Tashyboy]

Not wanting to spark up an old thread.
But Hamza Bin Laden. Son of Bin Laden has been stripped of his Saudi Arabian citizenship. Now he was born in Saudi Arabia. So he is now stateless. But that breeches world wide law. The same way as silly skool girl being told she now is not a UK citizen. Now some people were getting very irate over that. So do we support Hamza Bin terrorist coz he now dont have a home or not.
Don't give me it dont count coz its Saudi Arabia. Whats going off.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not wanting to spark up an old thread.
But Hamza Bin Laden. Son of Bin Laden has been stripped of his Saudi Arabian citizenship. Now he was born in Saudi Arabia. So he is now stateless. But that breeches world wide law. The same way as silly skool girl being told she now is not a UK citizen. Now some people were getting very irate over that. So do we support Hamza Bin terrorist coz he now dont have a home or not.
Don't give me it dont count coz its Saudi Arabia. Whats going off.

He is the leader of Al Qaeda , is in hiding and on the run and you can leave someone stateless if you can prove the person carries a National/global threat - he is responsible for the killing a of a lot of people

Maybe worth just researching a touch first