I agree and this was the point I was no doubt badly trying to make, I accept that there are harmless PED's from natural produce and mixed with other natural products that will never end up on a banned list, but taking substances that haven't been detected yet and have been specifically designed to enhance performance and are being taken only for that goal, and as soon as they eventually get detected and tested will 100% fall into the banned list is just plain wrong and cheating IMO.
I agree and this was the point I was no doubt badly trying to make, I accept that there are harmless PED's from natural produce and mixed with other natural products that will never end up on a banned list, but taking substances that haven't been detected yet and have been specifically designed to enhance performance and are being taken only for that goal, and as soon as they eventually get detected and tested will 100% fall into the banned list is just plain wrong and cheating IMO.
bluewolf
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To those who think she wasn't cheating....
If if it was found that a leading prescription medication for Hypothyroidism provided a 10% increase in performance, then shortly after, several hundred leading athletes all were diagnosed with Hypothyroidism, would you suspect them of cheating? Or merely playing the system?
If if it was found that a leading prescription medication for Hypothyroidism provided a 10% increase in performance, then shortly after, several hundred leading athletes all were diagnosed with Hypothyroidism, would you suspect them of cheating? Or merely playing the system?
chrisd
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Would suspect they would be attempting to play the system but ultimatly having a false illness and using it to gain PED is cheating
Am I cheating if I take a Viagra before visiting a brass, am I enhancing my performance for an unfair gain if I'm not on the clock by delaying my end game, am I cheating the brass out of time and motion 
bluewolf
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Exactly. Columbo has his man. Case closed. Wolfie walks off into the distance, smoking a stogie and muttering about what Mrs Columbo wants for dinner.... 😂
richart
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How has a drug that has been around over 10 years not been banned before ? I can understand new drugs not being picked up immediately, but ten years.
It was also not available in the US which might have been a clue to a problem with it.larmen
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I can't read the article without subscription.
Did they ban the substances and then ban the athletes, or were the substances already banned but only later be able to be detected?
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What if they don't ban it ? How does an athlete know if something is to be banned or not ?
Article is about banned substances that were undetected until recently
Sharapova was taking a drug for ten years - it wasn't a drug designed to improve her performance so until Jan 1st her use of it was above board and not cheating
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Robobum
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I can't read the full article Chris, but the opening paragraph seems to suggest that they had taken substances that were banned at the time but testing methods of the day were unable to detect them?
richart
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Surely that is testing for drugs that were banned at the time, and not drugs subsequently banned ?
Were the drugs East German athletes taking banned at the time, or subsequently ?
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So will come down to whether her illness is genuine or not
They didn't have the technology to test them to that degree at that time and have subsequently tested old stored urine and now found banned substances in them, although there all now too old to compete but there should be some kind of penalty for them, they may have lived and enjoyed a good life off the back of those successes whilst cheating, so simply banning them retrospectively isn't enough for me.
The Russians obviously knew it enhanced performance or they wouldn't have had so many taking it!
chrisd
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I don't have a subscription. It confirms what I said a while back. If new methods of testing for drugs, previously undetectable by the method of the day, then retrospective bans a etc are given on some caught. 32 tests on 28 athletes were tested and they were dealt with accordingly
bluewolf
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It isn't.
But im sure that the LTA will hide this behind a smokescreen of circumstantial trickery. It's never good publicity to have one of your leading lights integrity questioned.
richart
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Just one more question.
Robobum
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You're not alone with that thought Hence the multi million dollar law suits against Lance Armstrong by his sponsors
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But it's about substances that were already banned
Not ones that could be banned in the future
chrisd
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I can't see how they are banned if they can't be detected but you could be right. I suspect contracts within top level sport cover the use of known and unknown drugs and the penalties that could follow if caught
