Shape of shots.

[kid2]

Generally speaking,
Whether or not you play a draw or a fade how much shape does a better player generally have to their stock shot...

I ask this more for myself than anything else... Sorry to be selfish..
But going through a course of lessons 18 months ago i feel that i may have been putting too much pressure on myself to get that flight shape very tight..... As a note i was working on a shallower swing and trying to eliminate the OTT move....
I know loft will probably dictate the amount a shot curves as will Angle of Attack and swing speed but in general what would be considered a workable amount....

Iv given up trying to draw the ball and now instead play my fade.... The movement i would like from say 6 iron down the long irons preferably would be only a few yards..... Am i asking too much...

Today i had 142 mtrs into a front flag.... I aimed about 5 yards left of it and the ball finished 4 ft to the right of the flag....Ok the ball crossed the target line and maybe i didnt borrow and allow enough for that movement but would 6 yards of a fade be enough to be called tight....
And sould i expect more movement in the clubs longer than this..

Obviously the shorter clubs i will hit straighter and i wont have to allow for as much movement..
The one thing i Have to stay conscious of is my swing sliding back to an OTT move which im always careful of...

 

[anotherdouble]

I don't think it really matters mate as long as you can repeat the shot. If you know what to expect time after time you call allow for however many yards a person will fade/draw.

 

[kid2]

I don't think it really matters mate as long as you can repeat the shot. If you know what to expect time after time you call allow for however many yards a person will fade/draw.

Ya i suppose that makes sense but at what point should someone start worrying about a draw becoming a 30 yard hook or a fade becoming a 30 yard slice....
I know that Bubba dont care but he's an exception to the rule....

 

[srixon 1]

if you can hit a six yard fade every time you will be doing ok. if you aim at the left of the green you are not going to be too far away.

 

[JCW]

You are a 9 handicap golfer , Don't worry too much , what you got is good enough , time to worry is if you aim left and its going further left , other is if its going to far right , a swing and shape that repeats to a degree is far more important ....................EYG

 

[anotherdouble]

Ya i suppose that makes sense but at what point should someone start worrying about a draw becoming a 30 yard hook or a fade becoming a 30 yard slice....
I know that Bubba dont care but he's an exception to the rule....

And that my friend is what separates us from the pros. If you constantly start worrying you will never trust yourself and these hooks or slices will become common place

 

[kid2]

if you can hit a six yard fade every time you will be doing ok. if you aim at the left of the green you are not going to be too far away.

Thats my plan anyway Pal... Going through the lessons i had to change the way i aimed to allow for the right to left flight but i really struggled with closing the faces of the longer clubs and squaring them though the ball which was leading to a lot of blocks and push fade... I was missing everything to the right in some degree or other..
I see the game as left to right which i always did but im now more aware of why the ball goes where it does and because i keep my hands quiet through impact with a slightly open face i can hit mostly push fades all day long as long as my tempo doesnt get too quick... Thats when the driver decides to bite me in the Ass..

 

[kid2]

And that my friend is what separates us from the pros. If you constantly start worrying you will never trust yourself and these hooks or slices will become common place

Thats exactly why i decided to stop trying to draw the ball Pal... I was doubting myself too much over shots... Now i can aim down the left happy that it will come back with a little cut... Im at the moment in the trusting myself phase... I have to start making myself believe that theres nothing wrong with hitting a fade and that i can do it over and over again... Its all about the Trust

 

[anotherdouble]

My fault off the tee is that I can miss both sides just as easily. With that problem you struggle to aim as you never know where you will be hitting your second from. You stick with what you have kid and you will be fine.

 

[kid2]

My fault off the tee is that I can miss both sides just as easily. With that problem you struggle to aim as you never know where you will be hitting your second from. You stick with what you have kid and you will be fine.

Exactly the way i was Pal when i was going through the lessons... This year its all about dropping the handicap another little bit, minimizing my misses, having a predictable shape with all clubs and getting to know my wedges and putter a lot better....

 

[anotherdouble]

When I see your post at some stage during this year that you down to cat 1, I will raise a glass to your success.

 

[kid2]

When I see your post at some stage during this year that you down to cat 1, I will raise a glass to your success.

If i get to Cat one this year then ill Post the rest of the bottle of champagne to you Pal...:lol:
Im improving but im not Harry Potter....

 

[srixon 1]

always play to your strengths. My shot shape is usually straight but can sometimes have a hint of draw. I never aim directly at the pin if it is on the left side of the green and I am more than 150 yards away. this means that if I do go left I end up close to the flag or only miss the green by a small distance.

If you do the same with your fade you should hit more greens, i.e. never aim at a flag from long range when the pin is on the right.

 

[CMAC]

I like to draw everything, including putts

 

[the_coach]

Generally speaking,
Whether or not you play a draw or a fade how much shape does a better player generally have to their stock shot...

I ask this more for myself than anything else... Sorry to be selfish..
But going through a course of lessons 18 months ago i feel that i may have been putting too much pressure on myself to get that flight shape very tight..... As a note i was working on a shallower swing and trying to eliminate the OTT move....
I know loft will probably dictate the amount a shot curves as will Angle of Attack and swing speed but in general what would be considered a workable amount....

Iv given up trying to draw the ball and now instead play my fade.... The movement i would like from say 6 iron down the long irons preferably would be only a few yards..... Am i asking too much...

Today i had 142 mtrs into a front flag.... I aimed about 5 yards left of it and the ball finished 4 ft to the right of the flag....Ok the ball crossed the target line and maybe i didnt borrow and allow enough for that movement but would 6 yards of a fade be enough to be called tight....
And sould i expect more movement in the clubs longer than this..

Obviously the shorter clubs i will hit straighter and i wont have to allow for as much movement..
The one thing i Have to stay conscious of is my swing sliding back to an OTT move which im always careful of...

Two things that cause most movement in shot shape from initial direction to curve after are first, centered contact and face angle at collision point and then the swing path numbers, movement in relation to the ball/target line at 0 degs.

The squarer you can have the face through impact combined with a path that approaches whether + or - degrees to 0 ball/target line on a less pronounced curve your ball flight curve will be gentler and more consistent and easier to predict the distance it will move in the air, be that left/right or right/left.

If that paths a slight out to in your aim point then can still be on the edge of fairway so if you double cross yourself and pull it your more likely just to be on the left edge or with fade right of center still on fairway.

Same is true if you're an in to out swing path, less of a pronounced path from inside, nearer zero, you can aim at the right edge, push won't cause too much damage and otherwise you'll get a soft draw to center of just left center fairway.

You need to work on your path to get it more neutral to the ball target line whichever + or - side it's approaching from.

Get the club stuck too far behind you and it will approach too much from the inside. Start swing down with upper body and it'll be too much from the outside and steep.
Neutral is the arms and hands and club operating more 'in front' of your chest going back and coming back down through impact.

 

[kid2]

always play to your strengths. My shot shape is usually straight but can sometimes have a hint of draw. I never aim directly at the pin if it is on the left side of the green and I am more than 150 yards away. this means that if I do go left I end up close to the flag or only miss the green by a small distance.

If you do the same with your fade you should hit more greens, i.e. never aim at a flag from long range when the pin is on the right.

Thanks for the heads up Pal... Its something im slowly starting to learn as i improve.... Its not like im doubting mt skill moreso that im confident that if i miss i have a playable shot rather than being shortsided or in trouble...

 

[Alex1975]

Ya i suppose that makes sense but at what point should someone start worrying about a draw becoming a 30 yard hook or a fade becoming a 30 yard slice....
I know that Bubba dont care but he's an exception to the rule....

You would think that as long as your in control of the shot then how much does not matter, et al Bubba.

For me my draw turned into your example 30 yard hook and to play golf with it I was aiming right of the green to hit the centre, with a right to left wind you can't stay in control!

I neutralised everything (swingbyte 2 helped), grip, stance so face and path. I set up square and visualise the shot straight, if it fades or draws 3 yards I have a birdie putt or will make par.

Strangely it it was not the physical set up changes that were hard it was the removing the visualisation of that big banana hook. That and not having an ego about a ball that gave me a birdie putt but not arriving with the shape I desire. The neutralising and mind set has seen me steadily in the 70s in bounce rounds of late. Im told I walk to my approach shots like a dog with two...... Steaks.

 

[garyinderry]

under the gun ill hit a draw most times. I like to try and shape an approach in if I can. its not overly difficult to move the ball one way or the other. it opens up a lot more of the green if you can do it.

a double cross when hitting a fade is the thing that gets me in trouble.

 

[Robobum]

An actual number for this is difficult because each situation is different.

But, ideally, you don't want the start line tone outside the extremities of the green just in case you hit a bullet straight one. So, using your fade - aim at left fringe maximum and you have the full green width as a "miss".

As long as the amount of movement is predictable and not having a huge impact on distance control, it doesn't really matter.

 

[Slab]

The problem as I see it is the hole was in metric yet your fade allowance is imperial... convert your distance to 5 meters and you'd have holed it

Sorry couldn't resist and I cant even offer anything constructive to your post to make up for the poor joke!