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Not those supporting her, it’s not as cut and dried as many make out.
ger147
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I repeat, the umpire did NOT call her a cheat.
Foxholer
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And the opinion of those rather better qualifiead than you or I am.
Btw. She does have 'history' about 'losing it'!
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What was the first penalty for?
Never used the actual word, neither did she, but yet I’ve seen no one pick that up on here when people have said she used the word!
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Yep spot on
The umpire didn’t call her a cheat - he responsed to the coaches attempts to coach his player - which is against the rules and the player gets a warning which is all she got - she should have directed her anger at her coach
But she then couldn’t handle getting a warning which I suspect is down to her arrogance
She then smashed her raquet when she was loosing - again another correct violation and was given the point deduction which again - correct
That’s when she started abusing the umpire with her demands and accusing him of all sorts and he rightly deemed that Umpire abuse - third strike
The umpire was spot on with his decisions but Williams believed she was above those rules - she threw in the sexism card which was wrong and her rants where both disrespectful to the umpire as well as pathetic - bringing her own child into the rant was low.
It’s no surprise certain areas are supporting her and not an umpire who followed the correct procedure . If it was a low ranked player they would be banned.
Only have to look at history in the sport to see many occasions of her disgraceful rants at officials
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Best close the forum if we aren’t allowed to discuss decisions in sport then!
ger147
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She used the word cheat several times during her series of rants. Have you watched the incident in full?
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So this time the Official has used her as an example for all the previous times they got it wrong?
I’m confused with your point.
Surely any of us would want our child to think we stood up for what we believe in rather than be labelled a cheat, which in essence the first violation was for.
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Yes, first time she uses the word cheat is in the post match interview.
Bunkermagnet
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It was for her coach "coaching".
The rules are simple on it, it's not allowed and the umpire called them on it. Whether she saw him or not, the point is the coach admitted he was doing it straight after, so she cannot say he wasn't doing it.
Instead of ranting at the umpire, she should be directing her anger at the coach for putting her in that situation.
ger147
Tour Winner
I am afraid you are mistaken, you should watch it again...
Beezerk
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It was cheating though, she looked up at the box where her coach was giving hand signals. Whether she saw them or not is moot, the coach cheated therefore as a team they cheated and the penalty was given accordingly.
ger147
Tour Winner
Here's a transcript of what she said before she got her loss of game penalty to save you looking for a video...
"Unbelievable, every time I play here, I have problems,†said Williams. “I did not get coaching, I don't cheat. You need to make an announcement. I have a daughter and I stand for what's right for her. You owe me an apology.
“For you to attack my character is something that is wrong,†Williams continued. “You will never ever, ever be in another final. You are a liar.†Then, when she called Ramos a “thief†for taking away a point from her, he gave her a code violation for verbal abuse, resulting in the game penalty that carried Osaka to 5-3 in the second set.
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Please provide a link.
Here’s a 3 minute one, were she doesn’t
https://globalnews.ca/video/4436493...umpire-thief-in-outburst-during-us-open-final
Kellfire
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She talks about cheating within seconds of that clip starting.
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You’re missing the point, people on here said she called the umpire a cheat!
She didn’t, she uses the word about herself!
ger147
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So just to confirm, you haven't seen all of the incidents IN FULL?
I have supplied a transcript above of what she said, I watched the match live and saw it for myself. If you want to see it for yourself there are countless videos online of the various incidents. She absolutely DID use the word cheat on court, the umpire did not and she also called him a liar as well as a thief.
I have no problem if you want to defend her and don't share my opinion re. how the umpire dealt with the incident, but please get the facts correct. She used the word cheat several times on the court, that is a fact...
ger147
Tour Winner
If that was your point then I missed it because that's not what you said...
Slab
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Maybe I'm thinking too much like a golfer but is the official permitted to overlook a rules breach if he witnesses it?
The umpire didn't write the rules, he was tasked with officiating the match to make sure its played by those rules, he doesn't have any 'essence' to what he was doing
He didn't raise his voice or gesticulate at her, he appeared to remain calm and content to let the game progress after the initial penalty but she kept bringing it up even after she had made her point that she doesn't cheat
The umpire didn't write the rules, he was tasked with officiating the match to make sure its played by those rules, he doesn't have any 'essence' to what he was doing
He didn't raise his voice or gesticulate at her, he appeared to remain calm and content to let the game progress after the initial penalty but she kept bringing it up even after she had made her point that she doesn't cheat
Foxholer
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Her immediate reaction to the 1st Code Violation (for her coach's coaching) was to to say '... I don't cheat; I'd sooner lose...'.