Serena Williams - Disgraceful

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Papas1982 said:
Tbf to the umpire though. There is a rule against women changing on court. There isn’t for men. So whilst it’s stupid she got penalised, It was simply an umpire informing rules. Also, I believe the rules are from the individual organisations. In this case it’s actually the WTA that have the rule. So it was women’s tennis punishing her as such. Not a man, or men’s tennis.
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A rule, as stated above, the umpire apologised for, fact is there are disparities between the way men and women are treated.
It still doesn’t excuse Williams behaviour
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Two entirely different situations and her quoting that is trying to give her own bullying rant credibility. Papas has given a good answer to that point but I believe the rule has now been changed anyway. It was a daft rule, correct that it has been removed.
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I said I was wasn’t excusing Williams behaviour, my response was in reply to others remarking on the differences.
 
Papas1982 said:
Tbf to the umpire though. There is a rule against women changing on court. There isn’t for men. So whilst it’s stupid she got penalised, It was simply an umpire informing rules. Also, I believe the rules are from the individual organisations. In this case it’s actually the WTA that have the rule. So it was women’s tennis punishing her as such. Not a man, or men’s tennis.
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Unfortunately not a WTA rule, here’s their statement:
The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the U.S. Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court,” the WTA statement reads. “This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong.”
 
pauldj42 said:
A rule, as stated above, the umpire apologised for, fact is there are disparities between the way men and women are treated.
It still doesn’t excuse Williams behaviour
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The WTA are not a shy organisation, as shown by how they have managed equal pay at grand slam events. If there are outdated rules then they need to look at themselves. Perhaps the shirt incident will encourage them to go through their rulebook.

You were clear about not excusing Williams, no problem.

Your last post was added whilst I was typing. Good to post it. It is different to the story that was put out initially.
 
pauldj42 said:
Unfortunately not a WTA rule, here’s their statement:
The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the U.S. Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court,” the WTA statement reads. “This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong.”
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Just seen a later report from wta. I stand corrected. Intial report I saw had quoted them as the rule makers in the scenario. Having read that, it appears it was still a violation as the rule stated players must change whilst in their seat. Totally agree common sense should have prevailed, but appears the umpire simply followed a rule.

Re your first response. I agree it doesn’t excuse Williams. I wasn’t defendimg her in any way.
 
Papas1982 said:
Just seen a later report from wta. I stand corrected. Intial report I saw had quoted them as the rule makers in the scenario. Having read that, it appears it was still a violation as the rule stated players must change whilst in their seat. Totally agree common sense should have prevailed, but appears the umpire simply followed a rule.

Re your first response. I agree it doesn’t excuse Williams. I wasn’t defendimg her in any way.
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I know you weren’t defending Williams mate.
I believe the US Open officials initially put the blame on the WTA, also the Umpire hasn’t apologised either, the US Open officials apologised to Cornet saying the Umpire was incorrect and they have clarified the rule.
Looks like they were happy to pass on responsibility to everyone else.
 
fundy said:
Serena fined a grand total of $17k for 3 code violations, thats gonna show her!
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Bottled it because they are scared of the “sexism” or racism card being thrown at them. Basically people can thrown abuse at the umpire now

You can see all the US sports people backing her but you only have to look at this to see what a spoilt brat she is - if that’s the example she is setting her children

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038703823173312512
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Bottled it because they are scared of the “sexism” or racism card being thrown at them. Basically people can thrown abuse at the umpire now

You can see all the US sports people backing her but you only have to look at this to see what a spoilt brat she is - if that’s the example she is setting her children

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038703823173312512
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You keep quoting racism, she never accussed the umpire of that, sexism yes, and according to Roddick in this piece, she’s got a point.
Men have been throwing abuse at Umpires for years and never received a game point.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/09/us/serena-williams-sexism-tennis-controversy/index.html
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Bottled it because they are scared of the “sexism” or racism card being thrown at them. Basically people can thrown abuse at the umpire now

You can see all the US sports people backing her but you only have to look at this to see what a spoilt brat she is - if that’s the example she is setting her children

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038703823173312512
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Absolutely classless.
 
But they do get paid the same which is nice.

"In women's tennis, I always root for the heterosexual."
 
IanM said:
Barry Cowan was on the radio this morning.... he read ouit a list of fines dished out to male players recently.

Ms Williams.................... seems like you were under charged. Maybe they should up the fine?
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I heard that interview and I thought he spoke very well. Okay, I agreed with his comments and we all like it when that happens but he spoke rationally and backed up everything very well. He even cleared up the shirt changing moment, the umpire was correct, not sexist but the rule is outdated and should be changed for those who want to know. At the end of the day you can't just abuse or question the officials in any sport. If you allow that to happen then it is a bad day for that sport.

Williams is trying to change the narrative to cover her own behaviour but when you strip it back she behaved in a shameful manner. Don't lose that as the key in all of this.
 
Beezerk said:
Radio 5 phone in was interesting this morning, seemed to be a split between black women pulling the race and sexist card and white women saying she needs to grow up.
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How does that work in this instance though? Williams was playing an Asian female. She wasn't playing a man or a white female. Was the umpire an inconsistent bigot? Williams has not mentioned race, as others have pointed out. Callers may be trying to introduce it into the debate but Williams did not.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
How does that work in this instance though? Williams was playing an Asian female. She wasn't playing a man or a white female. Was the umpire an inconsistent bigot? Williams has not mentioned race, as others have pointed out. Callers may be trying to introduce it into the debate but Williams did not.
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Yes, it was some callers who brought it into the debate, there was stunned silence at one point.
 
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