Serena Williams - Disgraceful

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ger147 said:
If that was your point then I missed it because that's not what you said...
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Post 64 mate, It’s the fact people on here said she called the Umpire a cheat.
I agree with your posts as to what she actually said. Cross wires, apologies.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Paul, I dislike anyone abusing officials in any sport. It is a pet hate of mine and I would say the same about anyone who behaved in the same way. Rooney was appalling for it, as are many footballers for example. Tennis has other meltdowns but the thread is about this particular one as it was in a final, it was a few days ago and it was a massive one. It was particularly aggressive, unpleasant and it dominated the end of the match. The official was correct in all of his decisions, tennis people are stating this over and over. She is the one who lost it and elevated the problem. Even a football ref would send a player off if he called him a cheat, which is what she did, and they take levels of abuse that are riduculous without blinking. If I was in charge of the umpires association I would asking for an urgent meeting with the relevant bodies regarding this. Officials need protecting, their integrity in particular.

If you want to even it up then we can always start a Nick Kyrgios thread as he creates a storm most tournaments. He has done plenty of disgraceful things in his career so far, given up on matches, abused officials etc. He gets the fine, pays it and moves on.

Regarding LP bringing her child into the discussion, she did that. She brought it up in her rant. She lost it, simple.
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Do you think the officials take this abuse because they Cant (send her off) because they have no match then?

Can he send her off? If so he should of.
Bet the crowd would not be happy if he did.
 
Why do they take the abuse? Good question. You can ask the same question in football. There are rules there to stop it, they just don't apply them. This umpire generally doesn't take abuse and has a history of applying the rules, apparently Nadal's father once had a go at him on a flight for giving him warnings, so he doesn't stand for it no matter how big the name. Maybe this guy is the Collina of tennis?

The sanctions that are there are actually pretty good and prevent the draconian need for a sending off, although if you hit a ball boy, official etc with a ball or racquet then it is an instant DQ, even if accidental. The system actually worked on Saturday, point penalty, game penalty. Had she continued abusing him he would have penalised a game every time. You would hope the player would realise at that point and they would self regulate. Once you know the umpire is serious and is taking games off you then the penny must surely drop and the red mist will lift. If not then you only have yourself to blame. The staging of the penalties is the balance and I think that works well.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Why do they take the abuse? Good question. You can ask the same question in football. There are rules there to stop it, they just don't apply them. This umpire generally doesn't take abuse and has a history of applying the rules, apparently Nadal's father once had a go at him on a flight for giving him warnings, so he doesn't stand for it no matter how big the name. Maybe this guy is the Collina of tennis?

The sanctions that are there are actually pretty good and prevent the draconian need for a sending off, although if you hit a ball boy, official etc with a ball or racquet then it is an instant DQ, even if accidental. The system actually worked on Saturday, point penalty, game penalty. Had she continued abusing him he would have penalised a game every time. You would hope the player would realise at that point and they would self regulate. Once you know the umpire is serious and is taking games off you then the penny must surely drop and the red mist will lift. If not then you only have yourself to blame. The staging of the penalties is the balance and I think that works well.
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Spot on - i think for any other player they would have stopped after the point warning but I think her arrogance took over

She imo prob thought “How dare you penalise me - don’t you know who I am” and she then carried out a monumental strop expecting the umpire to change his mind - the demands for an apology etc and demanding that he announces to everyone just smacks it arrogance and you can see he was cool about it all. She knew the crowd would be on her side and played on that as well. She then went full rant and strop once she realised it wasn’t working and played the Sexism card.

The governing body have bottled it and she has been allowed to get away with a disgusting disgraceful rant at an official - it reminds me of Maureen’s go at Frisk but the umpire did nothing wrong and I hope he continues to umpire. She shows no remorse after when she should be apologising to the umpire and to her opponent so her actions after are just as poor.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Why do they take the abuse? Good question. You can ask the same question in football. There are rules there to stop it, they just don't apply them. This umpire generally doesn't take abuse and has a history of applying the rules, apparently Nadal's father once had a go at him on a flight for giving him warnings, so he doesn't stand for it no matter how big the name. Maybe this guy is the Collina of tennis?

The sanctions that are there are actually pretty good and prevent the draconian need for a sending off, although if you hit a ball boy, official etc with a ball or racquet then it is an instant DQ, even if accidental. The system actually worked on Saturday, point penalty, game penalty. Had she continued abusing him he would have penalised a game every time. You would hope the player would realise at that point and they would self regulate. Once you know the umpire is serious and is taking games off you then the penny must surely drop and the red mist will lift. If not then you only have yourself to blame. The staging of the penalties is the balance and I think that works well.
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Can’t really see that it does work!
Giving game pens just allows the player to abuse the ref as long as she takes the penalties.
If she’s 5-0 up in a set she could get four game penalties and still win 6-4.
That just seems odd ( I am not really a tennis fan).
As soon as you call a football ref a theif and a liar you would get an early bath it seems tennis will tolerate that.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Why do they take the abuse? Good question. You can ask the same question in football. There are rules there to stop it, they just don't apply them. This umpire generally doesn't take abuse and has a history of applying the rules, apparently Nadal's father once had a go at him on a flight for giving him warnings, so he doesn't stand for it no matter how big the name. Maybe this guy is the Collina of tennis?

The sanctions that are there are actually pretty good and prevent the draconian need for a sending off, although if you hit a ball boy, official etc with a ball or racquet then it is an instant DQ, even if accidental. The system actually worked on Saturday, point penalty, game penalty. Had she continued abusing him he would have penalised a game every time. You would hope the player would realise at that point and they would self regulate. Once you know the umpire is serious and is taking games off you then the penny must surely drop and the red mist will lift. If not then you only have yourself to blame. The staging of the penalties is the balance and I think that works well.
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I love the self righteous posting about this umpire, it’s a pity we don’t have this same level of support for referees when watching football, it’s a proven fact this guy is inconsistent facts don’t back up your point so I’m surprised you can equate him to Colina.
 
Williams said she had not cheated and never received on-court coaching but Mouratoglou admitted in a post-match interview he had coached and suggested it was widespread within the game.

So she did cheat then !
 
pauldj42 said:
I love the self righteous posting about this umpire, it’s a pity we don’t have this same level of support for referees when watching football, it’s a proven fact this guy is inconsistent facts don’t back up your point so I’m surprised you can equate him to Colina.
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I have always supported refs or officials in any sport. I'm happy to have posts checked on that front. I have commented previously about in their face vitriol from players and also cheap shots from managers. Officials should never be subjected to abuse.

I don't care enough about tennis as a sport to follow what an umpire does over the years but the fact that he has been given a grand slam final suggests he is highly regarded. Tennis commentators and journalists have also spoken well of him and THEY have said he is someone who will follow through with the rules in these situations. Collina got things wrong, Blimey as Everton fans we know that, but he wouldn't bottle a big decision. That is why I compared him.

It's one we will have to disagree on.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I have always supported refs or officials in any sport. I'm happy to have posts checked on that front. I have commented previously about in their face vitriol from players and also cheap shots from managers. Officials should never be subjected to abuse.

I don't care enough about tennis as a sport to follow what an umpire does over the years but the fact that he has been given a grand slam final suggests he is highly regarded. Tennis commentators and journalists have also spoken well of him and THEY have said he is someone who will follow through with the rules in these situations. Collina got things wrong, Blimey as Everton fans we know that, but he wouldn't bottle a big decision. That is why I compared him.

It's one we will have to disagree on.
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He’s born sworn at and abused by male tennis players in the past and took no action, it’s not about “bottle” it’s about fairness and consistencey.
 
pauldj42 said:
He’s born sworn at and abused by male tennis players in the past and took no action, it’s not about “bottle” it’s about fairness and consistencey.
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I’ve seen quite a few players have little pops and umpires. Most take a bit of stick, but hers was a meltdown. If he hadnt docked her she would likely still be ranting now.
Her actions were appalling and whether she wants to blame sexism or not. The initial transgression has been admitted by the coach and that’s what set her off.
 
pauldj42 said:
He’s born sworn at and abused by male tennis players in the past and took no action, it’s not about “bottle” it’s about fairness and consistencey.
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Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Kyrgios have all been penalised by this umpire in the recent past for their on court behaviour, in Nadal's case breaching the time limit rule.

Plenty of examples of him taking action against male players.
 
ger147 said:
Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Kyrgios have all been penalised by this umpire in the recent past for their on court behaviour, in Nadal's case breaching the time limit rule.

Plenty of examples of him taking action against male players.
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Agreed, he has also took no action at times, he’s been in the spotlight probably more than any other umpire, almost coming across as likes being in the spotlight.
 
pauldj42 said:
Agreed, he has also took no action at times, he’s been in the spotlight probably more than any other umpire, almost coming across as likes being in the spotlight.
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He takes action when he deems it is necessary and does so regardless of whether the player is male or female.

So I'm not sure what point you're tying to make.
 
For me the discussion about the umpire is a smoke screen. As has been shown, he has penalised male players. So sexism isn’t the reason for his actions.

Any ref/umpire may be inconsistent, but the rules aren’t. If you break them which she (her team) did. The you can’t complain about the consequences.
 
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