Self adjustment not applied

[oltimer]

Player returns 39 pts - css normally 37 pts, results are delayed and next comp played with him playing off the same hcap as shown on the posted hcap list which does not include any adjustments as comp results not yet posted.

He now is in the prizes but would not have been had his hcap been adjusted. first comps results now posted showing he has been reduced by one shot.

How does he now stand as he has played off a higher hcap - does he get dqd because of the tardiness of the comp sec.
or can his returned card have his handicap corrected as per results of last comp, or does his incorrect hcap stand as it was not his fault and did everything to check for any adjustments before playing.

Not everyone is aware of or applies a self reduction in anticipation of this being applied.

 

[rulefan]

Player returns 39 pts - css normally 37 pts, results are delayed and next comp played with him playing off the same hcap as shown on the posted hcap list which does not include any adjustments as comp results not yet posted.

He now is in the prizes but would not have been had his hcap been adjusted. first comps results now posted showing he has been reduced by one shot.

How does he now stand as he has played off a higher hcap - does he get dqd because of the tardiness of the comp sec.
or can his returned card have his handicap corrected as per results of last comp, or does his incorrect hcap stand as it was not his fault and did everything to check for any adjustments before playing.

Not everyone is aware of or applies a self reduction in anticipation of this being applied.

If the player cannot get confirmation of a handicap change, he must self adjust based on the SSS. (Clause 20.11)

He should be DQd because he played off a too high handicap. The tardiness of the comp sec is irrelevant.

 

[jim8flog]

as it was not his fault and did everything to check for any adjustments before playing.

Not everyone is aware of or applies a self reduction in anticipation of this being applied.

There in lies the problem, lots of players say they were unaware of a rule simply because they never read the rules.

We have reminder notices on our rules boards and a detailed explanation of how to do it but we still get players who do not do it and get DQd. Most noticeable being a Club captain once.

 

[oltimer]

If the player cannot get confirmation of a handicap change, he must self adjust based on the SSS. (Clause 20.11)

He should be DQd because he played off a too high handicap. The tardiness of the comp sec is irrelevant.

Not much sympathy here then - thanks for confirming my worst fears not going to make my popularity ratings much good.

 

[duncan mackie]

Am afraid i disagree with Rulefan (mainly because it probably means I'm wrong!).

The relevant rule is 6-2b/1

The key question (there's always one with rulings!) is whether the player knew he should have adjusted his handicap (IMO if he says yes, but that he didn't know how to calculate it, then he should have raised the issue and found out and can no longer rely on the above ruling). If, as others have referenced here already, he hadn't a clue then the result should stand according to that ruling.

Or I have missed something....?

 

[rosecott]

I am with Rulefan on this one. Any player knows that handicap implications are highly likely if the score is better than SSS. That is why CONGU puts the onus fairly and squarely on the player to make sure what those implications are. A simple question to any member of the Handicap Committee - or any committee member will point in the right direction - would give the answer.

 

[oltimer]

Am afraid i disagree with Rulefan (mainly because it probably means I'm wrong!).

The relevant rule is 6-2b/1

The key question (there's always one with rulings!) is whether the player knew he should have adjusted his handicap (IMO if he says yes, but that he didn't know how to calculate it, then he should have raised the issue and found out and can no longer rely on the above ruling). If, as others have referenced here already, he hadn't a clue then the result should stand according to that ruling.

Or I have missed something....?

when is the comp closed ? - he had already handed his card in when someone told him he should have deducted a shot for the last comps result which hadn`t been posted at the time (so he couldn`t get his card back to alter hcap) the results of the next comp he played, off the incorrect hcap, results have yet to be posted.

 

[duncan mackie]

when is the comp closed ? - he had already handed his card in when someone told him he should have deducted a shot for the last comps result which hadn`t been posted at the time (so he couldn`t get his card back to alter hcap) the results of the next comp he played, off the incorrect hcap, results have yet to be posted.

Next question becomes how has all this come up if the competition hasn't been closed, and results posted?

If it's still open then I remain with question above to player and, if he really is one of those who honestly hadn't a clue, then the committee should correct his net score by applying the correct handicap before closing the competition.
Again, if he knew but didnt bother to pursue it type of response, then he should be DQ.

I look forward to others rule based responses!

 

[rulefan]

Not knowing about self adjustment is no different to not knowing you can't remove a branch interfering with your swing. Not knowing his handicap is not a mistake unless someone gave him wrong information.

 

[oltimer]

Not knowing about self adjustment is no different to not knowing you can't remove a branch interfering with your swing. Not knowing his handicap is not a mistake unless someone gave him wrong information.

That will do for me , thanks for that.