Pin-seeker
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Yes I think once people ear the word rape,or peadophile we assume that theyre guilty because it's such a horrible thing.
Probably just human nature.
Second Chances
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Yes I think once people ear the word rape,or peadophile we assume that theyre guilty because it's such a horrible thing.
Probably just human nature.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
He was found guilty by his peers in a jury, this is the system we have to decide guilt or innocence, it's not perfect but it's what we have. Now, people have been convicted who were not guilty but until an appeal decides this we must accept the Juries decision.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
To say this thread was not supposed to be about his guilt or innocence it sure looks like it is now
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Deleted member 16999
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They're completely linked, you wouldn't have the thread if the question was "Should innocent people be given a second chance"To say this thread was not supposed to be about his guilt or innocence it sure looks like it is now
I would say it's fair and peoples opinions are being respected.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
That may be true, it doesn't necessarily make it or the verdict right.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Appeals can be for more than just new evidence - Procedural errors, including the Judges summary or competency (or otherwise) of Council for example. As far as I'm aware, The Appeal Court does not rule on whether the Jury should have found him Guilty or not.
CCRC is actually the body that rules on whether a conviction is unsafe or not! So that's the body that could question whether the Jury should have found him Guilty or not. At least imo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Cases_Review_Commission
Why do you need a legal side to define that, if you had a daughter that stupidly got drunk or took drugs due to per pressure and was in a position of not knowing what was happening or couldn't comprehend anything at that time, is it not rape that someone who is fully coherent takes advantage of that situation and has sex with them just because they couldn't or who were unable to say no at the time! Its rape, end of, he shows IMO no remorse in any way and can't be anyone that youngsters should look up to so for me, no second chance, its not fraud, its not theft, its rape for gods sake, no second chances for such a despicable crime that doesn't happen by accident!
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
He shows no remorse because he believes that he's innocent.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
He claims she did consent. That's the thing. She then can't remember anything in the morning.
To be honest I thought the statement issued was pretty robust given what he can and can't say while proceedings continue. However he's clearly classed, rightly or wrongly in the game by sponsors and fans in particular as damaged goods and a persona non gratis. I do think that's harsh as he was imprisoned and whether he wins the current case or not, he's out on licence and so eligible to ply his trade. I would think he'll perhaps drop down to the lowest tier of the conference and even then I think he'll struggle to find a club (and sponsors and fans) willing to take him. I guess it'll ultimately depend how the proceedings play out
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Deleted member 16999
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My Bad English, I understand what Rape is, but I don't know the legal definition, ie, difference between Rape and other sexual offences. I agree with what you put,
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
How smashed do you have to be to not be able to remember anything?
So did she allegedly consent whilst he knew she was totally wasted and not coherent to what was really happening and took advantage, is that not still technically rape, if it happened in that way, it would be in my book!
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Being let loose with a litre bottle of vodka helps. :rofl:
I've been their, I won't remember any of this tomorrow!
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
After a litre bottle of Vodka I'd be a waste of time tbh:-/
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I still don't completely buy the whole '' she went back to the hotel with one of them so she is consenting with him''. going to a hotel room is not a green light for intercourse.
She was as drunk if not drunker when she first met cheds mate. How can it be ok for him to get a 'drunken green light' but not ched?
Both rapists or neither imo.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
bladeplayer
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To say this thread was not supposed to be about his guilt or innocence it sure looks like it is now
Well it wasnt suppose to be ha , it was this case that got me thinking about the whole subject ..
Ah well
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I haven't followed this case so I don't really know all the ins and outs but I do have a little bit of personal experience.
I was called up for jury service in 2000 and the case I was assigned to was a guy accused of interferring with his stepdaughter. There were no witnesses, no DNA, no CCTV......nothing. Just a girl saying he touched her and a guy saying he didn't. Unfortunately, it was almost comical with all the women on the jury screaming for his blood and the guys trying to analyse the situation a bit deeper. The guy was found guilty on a majority verdict. The law states that you are innocent until proved guilty. I fail to see how there was any proof he committed the crime that he was accused of.
Now, going back to the Ched Evans case.......like I said, I don't know the facts of the case but it appears sex happened, the question is was it consensual? It may have been and the woman then had regrets and cried rape or it may have been rape all along, I don't know.
My point is......only 2 people know for sure what happened so who are we to judge if the guy deserves a 2nd chance or not?
I was called up for jury service in 2000 and the case I was assigned to was a guy accused of interferring with his stepdaughter. There were no witnesses, no DNA, no CCTV......nothing. Just a girl saying he touched her and a guy saying he didn't. Unfortunately, it was almost comical with all the women on the jury screaming for his blood and the guys trying to analyse the situation a bit deeper. The guy was found guilty on a majority verdict. The law states that you are innocent until proved guilty. I fail to see how there was any proof he committed the crime that he was accused of.
Now, going back to the Ched Evans case.......like I said, I don't know the facts of the case but it appears sex happened, the question is was it consensual? It may have been and the woman then had regrets and cried rape or it may have been rape all along, I don't know.
My point is......only 2 people know for sure what happened so who are we to judge if the guy deserves a 2nd chance or not?
