Old Skier
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Agreed and I apologised however as DfT is the major protagonist and forever publishing anti British rubbish on here he gets the occasional bit.
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Agreed and I apologised however as DfT is the major protagonist and forever publishing anti British rubbish on here he gets the occasional bit.
Doon frae Troon
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SNP supporter published anti British rubbish shocker.
[anti UK Government would have been a more honest term]
SocketRocket
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SNP supporter published anti British rubbish shocker.
[anti UK Government would have been a more honest term]
And Scotland does not own a component part of the UK Government because ...... :mmm:
Doon frae Troon
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SNP are now the official opposition at Westminster as Wee Angus has the support of more MP's than Corbyn. 
SocketRocket
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SNP are now the official opposition at Westminster as Wee Angus has the support of more MP's than Corbyn.
Ah, that figures. They are now the official opposition to the opposition.
Doon frae Troon
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It would be interesting to sum up the total number of MP's for each splinter group at Westminster.
It it carries on like this the Queen just might ask wee Angus to form a government.:lol: [smiley for SR & Skier only as most on here have a sense of humor]
It will be interesting to see how the speaker deals with Angus's question.
SocketRocket
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JakeWS
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Alex Salmond said give Nicola the keys to the Kingdom on TV the other day.
Pro Zach
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Nicola Sturgeon is the leader of an extreme nationalist political party. Her only aim is to gain independence from the UK despite the fact that the majority voted to remain in the union. She does not represent the majority view of Scottish people nor does she care about the wishes of the majority of Scottish people. She has demonstrated complete contempt for the democratic majority vote and the majority of Scottish people by continuing to push the minority belief.
Before the EU referendum she indicated that a Scottish vote to remain might be used as a tool to hold another Scottish referendum.
Lets have a look at the results. 67% turnout. This is 18% lower than the Scottish referendum which possibly suggests that the Scottish people aren't as bothered about European union as they are about UK union.
62% voted to stay and 38% voted leave. This equates to 1,018,322 leave and 1,661,191 stay. If we take off the 45% vote of the nationalists who voted simply to force another independence referendum then we are left with 913,655 who voted to stay. Obviously we can't really assume all nationalists voted simply to force a referendum, but I think it is safe to assume many did. If you want to ignore all that I will also point out that 2,001,926 Scots voted to remain in the UK and only 1,661,191 voted to remain in the EU.
Nicola Sturgeon has never had a mandate to speak for the Scottish people on UK independence as she is clearly not speaking for the majority. She can not use the EU vote to speak for an independent Scotland because she never won the vote for an independent Scotland. A separate EU independence vote does not show a preference.
She is now suggesting that the majority of Scots voting to stay in the EU was a democratic majority vote. Now she must do what is best for the majority. It's a pity she didn't have the same attitude when the majority voted to stay in the UK. Is there a Scottish word for hypocrite?
Before the EU referendum she indicated that a Scottish vote to remain might be used as a tool to hold another Scottish referendum.
Lets have a look at the results. 67% turnout. This is 18% lower than the Scottish referendum which possibly suggests that the Scottish people aren't as bothered about European union as they are about UK union.
62% voted to stay and 38% voted leave. This equates to 1,018,322 leave and 1,661,191 stay. If we take off the 45% vote of the nationalists who voted simply to force another independence referendum then we are left with 913,655 who voted to stay. Obviously we can't really assume all nationalists voted simply to force a referendum, but I think it is safe to assume many did. If you want to ignore all that I will also point out that 2,001,926 Scots voted to remain in the UK and only 1,661,191 voted to remain in the EU.
Nicola Sturgeon has never had a mandate to speak for the Scottish people on UK independence as she is clearly not speaking for the majority. She can not use the EU vote to speak for an independent Scotland because she never won the vote for an independent Scotland. A separate EU independence vote does not show a preference.
She is now suggesting that the majority of Scots voting to stay in the EU was a democratic majority vote. Now she must do what is best for the majority. It's a pity she didn't have the same attitude when the majority voted to stay in the UK. Is there a Scottish word for hypocrite?
DCB
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Vive la France 
Old Skier
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No need bud it's the Internet , we're all aloud to put up our own rubbish posts, yours just top the charts. :blah:
Val
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Great post :thup:
One Planer
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MarkE
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Great post indeed. :thup:
Alex1975
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Indeed.
It's being reported that Spain have said they would block an independent Scotland. If that is enough, and my understanding is that it is, it's a tough sell to Scotish people to hold another referendum, become independent and then not get a place in the EU.
In what order does NS do things to move her agenda forwards in any way from here?
FairwayDodger
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Interesting number crunching, pro zach, but you missed a huge segment of the electorate. Those that voted to stay in the uk knowing that meant they would also stay in the uk and who, if really pushed to choose, would pick the Eu over the uk. Impossible to say how many fall into this category, anecdotally it is a pretty big segment. I have been shocked by some die hard "no" voters who have said they'd consider independence if it meant they could stay in the eu.
It doesn't give me any pleasure to say it but if article 50 is triggered Scottish independence is inevitable.
It doesn't give me any pleasure to say it but if article 50 is triggered Scottish independence is inevitable.
Val
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I felt it would happen at some point if I'm honest but not this soon. Hopefully this all blows over in time and we go back to some sort of normality without fighting over the EU and Scottish Independence
Alex1975
Tour Winner
And if that is a drum the Scotish people still want to bang after they had a chance to become independent already then.... They should go. How often can you throw your toys out of the pram before it become obvious that your not a trusted ally?
FairwayDodger
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I think you don't get it. The mood has changed. This sort of immature rhetoric only fans the flames.
Alex1975
Tour Winner
It's not what I want and it was you that said it. How quick and how often is the mood going to change? Are we the UNITED Kingdom, are just so until the "mood changes". Not a lot of time has passed and your claiming the mood has changed. If that's how quick it happens than sadly... Get it done.
And no, I don't get it....
