Scotland V Germany

gdunc79 said:
He scored 31 goals in 66 appearances for a not great Hibs side. Not exactly inconsistent. A decent player, even when not playing at a "big" club. ;)
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True enough!

Incidentally, it turns out that he was capped before he joined Celtic so maybe not such a great example for this particular debate! :)
 
Val said:
He's not, if he was that good he wouldn't be with Aberdeen. If he was good enough he would be with Celtic or the likes of Hull.

I do get your point but the reality is better players play for better teams, teams in the championship in England are better than the bulk of the SPFL therefore players will move there.

The Scottish National squad consists of the best Scottish (qualified) players, the reality of that is the vast majority of the best players play in England because the quality of football and players tends to be better there.
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This.
 
FairwayDodger said:
I'd disagree with that. A decent player at Hibs but very inconsistent and with a terrible disciplinary record. I was very surprised Celtic went in for him and I didn't expect him to succeed there but he really seems to have turned it around and probably merits an international spot now.[/QUOTE]


Reluctantly this.
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Thing is too, if Rangers and Celtic hadn't snapped up the diddy teams better youth players over the years, then it's a fair assumption that these teams wouldn't be able to fund their vastly superior (one would have to assume, given the derision of the aforementioned teams set up) youth systems.

I hope these clubs continue to churn out top drawer players for the national team in the manner they've been doing. :whistle:
 
c1973 said:
I hope these clubs continue to churn out top drawer players for the national team in the manner they've been doing. :whistle:
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They may do but they will be ignored as we shall instead look to see if Watford's 30 year old centre half has a Scottish grandparent as he has kept a couple of clean sheets in a row and must be great as Watford play are in the all-conquering greatest league in the world.*

*purely made up example to illustrate the point
 
gdunc79 said:
Not sure what that has to do with it. Celtic haven't beaten many either....
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My point being if Mark Reynolds is so good by definition his team should also be good.

Incidently Mark Reynolds did get called up last year to the squad for a friendly, he didnt get a cap though which kind of tells its own story
 
gdunc79 said:
They may do but they will be ignored as we shall instead look to see if Watford's 30 year old centre half has a Scottish grandparent as he has kept a couple of clean sheets in a row and must be great as Watford play are in the all-conquering greatest league in the world.*

*purely made up example to illustrate the point
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Well, I do agree about the grandparents rule being wrong tbf, parents and no further back for me.

May I enquire as to which team you support, or are a fan of?
 
FairwayDodger said:
I'd disagree with that. A decent player at Hibs but very inconsistent and with a terrible disciplinary record. I was very surprised Celtic went in for him and I didn't expect him to succeed there but he really seems to have turned it around and probably merits an international spot now.
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Leigh's always been a player - his on field disciplinary record was never that bad either - can't keep it in his pants though
 
NWJocko said:
Nowt!!

Beat a couple of pub teams then horsed out in about the 15th preliminary round of the Europa league by some giants of Kazakhstan... :)
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LOL, at least we have a sensible voice now ;)

How did Mark Reynolds play with the defence shipping 3 goals to the Euro giants of Kazakhstan?
 
Scotland are pathetic have been for many a year however GS refusal to see past players who are clearly past it and offer nothing is very frustrating. When was the last time Steven Fletcher actually had a decent game in a Scotland jersey? I might be wrong but I think he's scored four international goals including his hat-trick against the mighty Gibraltar.

Alan Hutton is just an absolute bombscare of a player. Chris Martin Hanley/Mulgrew are potentially the worst centre half pairing I've ever witnessed in Scotland jerseys. That includes Caldwell. Absolutely horrendous players.
 
Val said:
LOL, at least we have a sensible voice now ;)

How did Mark Reynolds play with the defence shipping 3 goals to the Euro giants of Kazakhstan?
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Aye he's not playing just now.

He'd do as good a job as the ones that are in there just now but think his chance has gone as WGS seems pretty settled on that cart horse Hanley!

Not surprising most of the Scottish players come from Celtic (formerly Rangers also) or English teams as, typically, players who are good enough will move to Crltic or the Championship as it's a step up.
 
NWJocko said:
Not surprising most of the Scottish players come from Celtic (formerly Rangers also) or English teams as, typically, players who are good enough will move to Crltic or the Championship as it's a step up.
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I also think the phenomenon of players signing for one of these clubs and then getting the Scotland call is pretty understandable too. They don't get capped or signed by a bigger club while they are developing but once they reach a certain standard the international call up happens and the big clubs come in. The two aren't necessarily related.
 
FairwayDodger said:
I also think the phenomenon of players signing for one of these clubs and then getting the Scotland call is pretty understandable too. They don't get capped or signed by a bigger club while they are developing but once they reach a certain standard the international call up happens and the big clubs come in. The two aren't necessarily related.
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Yes I agree because GMS has obviously improved no end at Celtic as has Armstrong. It's not like they were just as good at Dundee United. Nonsense post.
 
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