Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

Did anyone else catch the Radio 4 program discussing the YES/NO vote, on Friday night I think it was? tuned in halfway through so missed the names, but it really seemed like the arguments being put across by the YES representatives were shot down so easily. Form listening to that, it was hard to wonder how it's got so close, some of there suggestions were just laughable.

Listening to 5Live this morning they were talking to a lady from the No camp and a gentleman from the yes camp

First the man kept talking over the lady anytime she tried to put her point over

And the chap also displayed the typical yes campaign answers - scaremongering , don't care about CU or finance or defense just that Scotland will be free of Westminster

 

[FairwayDodger]

Did anyone else catch the Radio 4 program discussing the YES/NO vote, on Friday night I think it was? tuned in halfway through so missed the names, but it really seemed like the arguments being put across by the YES representatives were shot down so easily. Form listening to that, it was hard to wonder how it's got so close, some of there suggestions were just laughable.

Patrick Harvie is one of the good guys on the "Yes" side but I just heard him getting demolished by Jackson Carlaw (a tory!) on the radio phone in. Think "no" might finally be getting their game together, hopefully not too late!

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Patrick Harvie is one of the good guys on the "Yes" side but I just heard him getting demolished by Jackson Carlaw (a tory!) on the radio phone in. Think "no" might finally be getting their game together, hopefully not too late!

Shhhhh! Don't say "tory" out loud, every single person in Scotland hates them remember.

 

[turkish]

I know the vote is Thursday but when exactly will we know poll results?

 

[DCB]

I know the vote is Thursday but when exactly will we know poll results?

Should all be done and dusted by mid morning on Friday

 

[Dodger]

Whatever the outcome we Scots should be congratulated on changing the political landscape rather than being happy to continue with the current charade.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Whatever the outcome we Scots should be congratulated on changing the political landscape rather than being happy to continue with the current charade.

Current charade?

 

[Beezerk]

Listening to 5Live this morning they were talking to a lady from the No camp and a gentleman from the yes camp

First the man kept talking over the lady anytime she tried to put her point over

And the chap also displayed the typical yes campaign answers - scaremongering , don't care about CU or finance or defense just that Scotland will be free of Westminster

I heard that as well, sounded just like a lot of the aggressive Yes voters I've bumped into on my travels recently.
No answers just hopes on a wing a a prayer with an anti English tint to it.

 

[williamalex1]

China or Russia? They would make really good bedmates

I'm slanting towards Chinese as they have more restaurants, not many Reds in the sun bed fights up here.:smirk:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/globe-...rticle20579017/?service=mobile&click=sf_globe

 

[Foxholer]

Not the way the Treasury released it which was apparently highly illegal.

You have evidence for its release, by Treasury, being 'highly illegal'?

Westminster and dodgy dealings? Who'd have thought it?

I think that goes for Politics anywhere. And it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't a shed-load of spin involved here either!

 

[Foxholer]

And the chap also displayed the typical yes campaign answers - scaremongering , don't care about CU or finance or defense just that Scotland will be free of Westminster

You appear to have a different interpretation of 'scaremongering' to me! Being 'free from Westminster' is the positive thing that Independence (there's a clue in the meaning) is all about!

It seems to me it's the 'No' side that has done all the scaremongering - especially about Currency and Defence! And a quite legitimate strategy it is too! Far stronger - in a negative campaign - than promoting nebulous 'pride in the Union' positive ones imo.

 

[FairwayDodger]

It seems to me it's the 'No' side that has done all the scaremongering - especially about Currency and Defence!

In that case you haven't been paying enough attention. Try reading up on what the "yes" lot say about what will happen to the NHS if we stay in the union. Conveniently ignoring the fact that health is entirely devolved already.

 

[Foxholer]

In that case you haven't been paying enough attention. Try reading up on what the "yes" lot say about what will happen to the NHS if we stay in the union. Conveniently ignoring the fact that health is entirely devolved already.

Yeah, I guess that counts!

Scaremongering all round then!

I said months ago it was going to be an extremely negative campaign.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You appear to have a different interpretation of 'scaremongering' to me! Being 'free from Westminster' is the positive thing that Independence (there's a clue in the meaning) is all about!

It seems to me it's the 'No' side that has done all the scaremongering - especially about Currency and Defence! And a quite legitimate strategy it is too! Far stronger - in a negative campaign - than promoting nebulous 'pride in the Union' positive ones imo.

I would suggest you re read my post

As I said - the yes typical answer to any negative post provided by any company etc is "scaremongering"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yeah, I guess that counts!

Scaremongering all round then!

I said months ago it was going to be an extremely negative campaign.

Isnt every political campaign a negative one ?

 

[CMAC]

Yeah, I guess that counts!

Scaremongering all round then!

I said months ago it was going to be an extremely negative campaign.

Isnt every political campaign a negative one ?

..plus the NO THANKS campaign starts with a very negative word. So it's always going to be an uphill struggle to promote a positive when there is so much from the YES campaign that must be countered with the opposite (negative) stance

 

[drdel]

Any political debate, in fact every argument, is negative because one side is taking a pop at the other's positive views.

Being peed off with Westminster is no different to most who live outside London - but throwing a wobbly and backing away from the collective benefits of the future the potential is not a wise argument.

 

[Dodger]

Beckham come out as a NO.

Keep them coming Cameron, wheeling out fuds like that,who don't have a note anyway, is playing a blinder for YES.

I am sure that Knighthood will be duly delivered.

 

[Foxholer]

Isnt every political campaign a negative one ?

No! If that's not being 'negative'!

All sides put their policies for (positive) change forward and voters make a selection.

There may be arguments along the lines of 'that won't work because....' etc. And Opposition will always say Government isn't working properly......

But, overall, the negatives are kept under control because Positive feelings tend to produce more votes.

And, yet again, you were selective about what you read/absorbed! The word 'extremely' was key!