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Scotland Debate

Adi2Dassler said:
I concede your first point, they were elected democratically.I disagree with many of the choices taken, but that's democracy at work.

To your last sentence, excellent! Is the £ an asset? Must be.Anyway, here's a twitter account that's good fun...obviously pro-yes but based on figures obtained from Westminster/Holyrood

https://twitter.com/AssetScotland

fill yer boots!
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I don't disagree. While I'm obviously wanting a "no" vote, if it does go the other way I'll have no choice but to get over it. In which case, I'd be wanting a CU too... in the short term at least. That'd probably be the smoothest path for us initially.

It'd be fascinating watching the fallout on this particular issue. Rarely do politicians state anything so unequivocally as the leaders of the main parties have in ruling out a CU and if the only reason against it is political will (and possibly bad blood in the rUK electorate) it might get interesting.
 
It now seems inevitable that No will win. Not surprising, perhaps. Now I don't have a dog in this fight, I am not Scottish, haven't even been in the place in ages and am not a royalist/loyal Brit either, but the last few days have seen the rather sickening spectacle of the Government panicking about the result, and the public seeing an alliance of Gordon Brown, who sold off the UK gold receives, among other offences, Alistair Darling, enough said, the Orange Order and banks and big business, including some of those who tanked the UK and world economies, lining up to tank the Yes campaign. I wonder how many more honours have been promised in payment. And the Royal Bank of Scotland are threatening to leave the country of their name in the event of a Yes. OK, they are only moving their registered HQ, but that subtlety will be lost on most. Salmond should tell them to sod right off now.

The Yes campaign is partly romantic and fanciful, and partly political and economic. The No campaign is utterly self serving and cynical.

If I had a vote, I would be a bit more inclined to vote Yes now than last week.
 
Ethan said:
It now seems inevitable that No will win. Not surprising, perhaps. Now I don't have a dog in this fight, I am not Scottish, haven't even been in the place in ages and am not a royalist/loyal Brit either, but the last few days have seen the rather sickening spectacle of the Government panicking about the result, and the public seeing an alliance of Gordon Brown, who sold off the UK gold receives, among other offences, Alistair Darling, enough said, the Orange Order and banks and big business, including some of those who tanked the UK and world economies, lining up to tank the Yes campaign. I wonder how many more honours have been promised in payment. And the Royal Bank of Scotland are threatening to leave the country of their name in the event of a Yes. OK, they are only moving their registered HQ, but that subtlety will be lost on most. Salmond should tell them to sod right off now.

The Yes campaign is partly romantic and fanciful, and partly political and economic. The No campaign is utterly self serving and cynical.

If I had a vote, I would be a bit more inclined to vote Yes now than last week.
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Disagree on your first sentence, agree with the rest:-)

I've always held the view where Glasgow leads, Scotland follows and Glasgow is pretty much assured to vote YES.Edinburgh will vote NO, Dundee YES and dunno about Aberdeen tbh.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Disagree on your first sentence, agree with the rest:-)

I've always held the view where Glasgow leads, Scotland follows and Glasgow is pretty much assured to vote YES.Edinburgh will vote NO, Dundee YES and dunno about Aberdeen tbh.
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Oh No! Please. Pass the bucket. What about the Borders, or could you not give a s..
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Disagree on your first sentence, agree with the rest:-)

I've always held the view where Glasgow leads, Scotland follows and Glasgow is pretty much assured to vote YES.Edinburgh will vote NO, Dundee YES and dunno about Aberdeen tbh.
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I think Aberdeen could vote YES - but I admit that that view is simply based upon the intentions of my brother and his family. He is a successful and well-off professional senior civil engineer contractor working in the oil industry and living in Aberdeen. He is married and has two teenagers, and rather 'conservative' with his money :) ...and he supports Rangers ...;)

If you could profile a NO voter he would be a NO voter. They are all voting YES. And he says that many of his civil engineer mates are also YES. I was a bit surprised I have to say.
 
lex! said:
Oh No! Please. Pass the bucket. What about the Borders, or could you not give a s..
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Not sure I understand.I've lived my entire life in Edinburgh but recognise the role Glasgow plays in forming Scottish thinking.It's the largest city, probably the most 'turned on' politically and easily the most vocal!

I'm heading down to my wee holiday home outside Gatehouse tomorrow and expect to have some lively conversations with my neighbours down that way.Looking forward to unplugging from the cyber debate tonight and just talking over a beer or ten.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Not sure I understand.I've lived my entire life in Edinburgh but recognise the role Glasgow plays in forming Scottish thinking.It's the largest city, probably the most 'turned on' politically and easily the most vocal!

I'm heading down to my wee holiday home outside Gatehouse tomorrow and expect to have some lively conversations with my neighbours down that way.Looking forward to unplugging from the cyber debate tonight and just talking over a beer or ten.
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Sorry, it just sounded so arrogant and was probably put there to provoke a reaction and i bit straight away. Enjoy your beers. I don't have a vote any more but would be NO for me. My old man will be voting NO, as will be his neighbours he told me. My best mate is already looking to sell up and buy a place in Newcastle so he can still be near his folks. He's very worried.
 
lex! said:
Sorry, it just sounded so arrogant and was probably put there to provoke a reaction and i bit straight away. Enjoy your beers. I don't have a vote any more but would be NO for me. My old man will be voting NO, as will be his neighbours he told me. My best mate is already looking to sell up and buy a place in Newcastle so he can still be near his folks. He's very worried.
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If I wanted a reaction I would post something alot different from what I perceive as the truth.Glasgow leads, the rest of us follow.

As for your best mate, he's looking to sell up and buy in Newcastle so he can still be near his folks? How would he be further away from his folks if YES wins? That's seriously dumb thinking your mate has.
 
Lets face it, now all the negative stuff is coming out ie companies moving to London, no chance of a currency deal, EU membership difficulties etc etc the undecided will revert to type and not want to change the status quo "to be on the safe side"

The biggest factor though is the argument that what you people decide next week is forever and if you get it badly wrong there is no going back which could seriously harm your future generations
 
lex! said:
Sorry, it just sounded so arrogant and was probably put there to provoke a reaction and i bit straight away. Enjoy your beers. I don't have a vote any more but would be NO for me. My old man will be voting NO, as will be his neighbours he told me. My best mate is already looking to sell up and buy a place in Newcastle so he can still be near his folks. He's very worried.
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The Borders will be a NO.

Do you have a tie to the Borders?
 
Adi2Dassler said:
If I wanted a reaction I would post something alot different from what I perceive as the truth.Glasgow leads, the rest of us follow.

As for your best mate, he's looking to sell up and buy in Newcastle so he can still be near his folks? How would he be further away from his folks if YES wins? That's seriously dumb thinking your mate has.
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Grrrr.. Squirm....thought i mentioned bigotry, but i think i got away with it.
 
lex! said:
Grrrr.. Squirm....thought i mentioned bigotry, but i think i got away with it.
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This opinion seems to have riled a few and I can't see why? Glasgow was considered the second city of the British Empire, it's the bedrock of The Labour Party, it's ships are world renowned, it stood up for Mandela before any other city in the world iirc and it's politically active, much more so than any other Scottish city.

I stand by my assertion
 
chrisd said:
Lets face it, now all the negative stuff is coming out ie companies moving to London, no chance of a currency deal, EU membership difficulties etc etc the undecided will revert to type and not want to change the status quo "to be on the safe side"

The biggest factor though is the argument that what you people decide next week is forever and if you get it badly wrong there is no going back which could seriously harm your future generations
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The negative stuff wins elections. It has been proven time and time again. Threats have more impact than promises.

Seems like Cameron et al haven't taken the threat of a loss adequately seriously until very recently, so as a panic measure have persuaded their mates in the City to throw in their tuppence worth. Which, funnily enough, is just about the amount of tax they pay too.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Not sure I understand.I've lived my entire life in Edinburgh but recognise the role Glasgow plays in forming Scottish thinking.It's the largest city, probably the most 'turned on' politically and easily the most vocal!

I'm heading down to my wee holiday home outside Gatehouse tomorrow and expect to have some lively conversations with my neighbours down that way.Looking forward to unplugging from the cyber debate tonight and just talking over a beer or ten.
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The thing about Glasgow is that due to the massive influx of Highlanders and folks from rural communities across Scotland that happened following the clearances and during the Industrial Revolution, we have today a Glaswegian who in many ways has inherited and developed many social and cultural influences indicative of the Highlander and rural Scot in general. Some say that that is why the Glaswegian is found to be the friendly, social(ist) individual he is. And maybe is why Glasgow is more than just an industrial commercial city - it is a city whose people think in ways that reflect those of much of Scotland.
 
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