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Scotland Debate

Good news imo, something Grangemouth needed.

It's just a guarantee on a loan, not an actual loan, or heaven forbid, investment.And £230 Million isn't exactly earth shattering either.

Personally, I'd have given that bawbag Ratcliffe back his £1 and nationalised Grangemouth, as mentioned a few pages back.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Big UK government 'loan guarantee' investment going into the Grangemouth oil terminal.

I wonder what other investments will be announced within the next few weeks?
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A loan guarantee and an investment are 2 very different things. The UK government won't be out of pocket so they are not investing in Grangemouth so reading it as a carrot for a NO vote IMO is wrong, anyone with an iota of intelligence can see through that.
 
And so on the EU Jean-Claude Juncker states...

"Over the next five years, there won't be any new member states acceding to the European Union"

Which of course BT leap on to highlight issue an iScotland will have joining the EU

Except they miss out the what he follows with..

"It's hard to imagine that one of the candidate states with whom we are negotiating will have, in time, met all the accession criteria."

And as he and his spokespeople have subsequently said this statement does not apply to an independent Scotland as clearly there are no ongoing negotiations.

But hey, let's just muddy the water with spin just a little bit more.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Sorry, forgot to put the inverted comma's on 'investment'.
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It makes no odds how you did it, you said you "wonder what other investments will be announced within the next few weeks?". Can you elaborate as to what you really mean here rather than me assume that you mean Westminster are doing it as a ploy for NO votes when in reality it couldn't be further from the truth as they aren't fronting anything financially.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
In other words...........

150 sad old men in bowler hats being policed by 250 policemen.
Total waste of space, money and sense.
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Not quite, upto 15,000 expected.So lets say half that turn up.7,500 OO guys marching thru Edinburgh.Not a good sight for BT/YES/Scotland in general.Expect The James Connolly lot to mobilize which means CCS vs ICF and I reckon you could be looking at the biggest security operation Edinburgh has seen for a long,long time.Chuck in the Antifa lot too.

I know we live in a democracy, I know folk have the right to march, but the most sensible thing here is for Edinburgh Council to veto this.
 
I watched the John Beatie programme 'The Games People Play' tonight.
It was part of the Scotland 2014 series.
I would imagine it was only shown in Scotland but the techy guys could probably find it on IPlayer

It was a bit of an eye opener and very interesting.
All about linking sport to politics and the tricks politicians play.

Good observation about Cameroon's big speech sending England off to Brazil.
This was followed a few days later showing the England team returning home to little media attention and certainly no Cameroon.
I somehow think he would have been there if they had won.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I watched the John Beatie programme 'The Games People Play' tonight.
It was part of the Scotland 2014 series.
I would imagine it was only shown in Scotland but the techy guys could probably find it on IPlayer

It was a bit of an eye opener and very interesting.
All about linking sport to politics and the tricks politicians play.

Good observation about Cameroon's big speech sending England off to Brazil.
This was followed a few days later showing the England team returning home to little media attention and certainly no Cameroon.
I somehow think he would have been there if they had won.
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Politics is politics. If this vote is all about politics nobody's going to bother to vote. This has got to be about a lot more than politics. Like the person on the news the other day who said they would be voting yes as an iscot will make them proud to be a Scot. Why do you need to be independent to become proud was my immediate thought.


sent from my time machine waiting at a Scotish airport for the return of the Scotish football team from the World Cup.
 
My thoughts today...

With the Glasgow 2014 Games starting today, is this potentially going to be a brilliant move for Independence to have the vote not long after? We all saw the nationalist pride that went around during London 2012, could Glasgow 2014 evoke the same emotions for the Scots, and results in many undecideds voting with their gut and voting Yes?
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
My thoughts today...

With the Glasgow 2014 Games starting today, is this potentially going to be a brilliant move for Independence to have the vote not long after? We all saw the nationalist pride that went around during London 2012, could Glasgow 2014 evoke the same emotions for the Scots, and results in many undecideds voting with their gut and voting Yes?
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I really don't think that we are that shallow.

The one thing that has absolutely amazed me about the process is the respect for each other when it comes to the vote.
It is seldom talked about in public, even within families for fear of causing offense of starting a row.
I have attended a couple of village hall debates and they were ultra polite affairs.
 
This Tuesday 8pm ITV *live* Salmond V Darling live and unscripted...

Please tell me the useless numpty who chaired the Sturgeon fiasco won't be chairing...






am I the last person who's just noticed Salmond and Sturgeon together:mmm:
 
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