Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

That is my dilemma.
I am in favor of Devo Max but can't vote for it.
Do I take a punt on the Nats or do I trust a Tory Government when it comes to Scotland ?

I think I might just abstain.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

That is my dilemma.
I am in favor of Devo Max but can't vote for it.
Do I take a punt on the Nats or do I trust a Tory Government when it comes to Scotland ?

I think I might just abstain.

But Devo Max isn't an option.

Forget Devo Max.

Would you want to be independent, or would you want to be part of the UK. Devo Max may or may not happen, and therefore (no matter what the politicians hint, or imply, or suggest, or "nudge nudge wink wink) it shouldn't come into your thinking.

My prediction:

Scotland will vote NO, as a lot of people bank on Devo Max, and when in 5 years nothing has been done, it comes around full circle, and people complain, and want a referendum on Devo Max or not.

 

[Old Skier]

Do I take a punt on the Nats or do I trust a Tory Government when it comes to Scotland ?

It's just unfortunate that your obsessed with Tory as the Government or are you writing off the others. Remember, we get the Torys in to do the unpopular things to fix what the other clowns cock up and then we vote the clowns in again.

Why is it all about the Torys.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's just unfortunate that your obsessed with Tory as the Government or are you writing off the others. Remember, we get the Torys in to do the unpopular things to fix what the other clowns cock up and then we vote the clowns in again.

Why is it all about the Torys.

They will align with The Kippers to rule England for many years.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

They will align with The Kippers to rule England for many years.

See, you've shown your true cards as a WUM with that post DfT! You've clearly referred to it as England when you know that will wind people up.... very clever.

 

[Old Skier]

See, you've shown your true cards as a WUM with that post DfT! You've clearly referred to it as England when you know that will wind people up.... very clever.

That's what happens when you debate with Republicans.

 

[SocketRocket]

The SNP are offering a political view of how they, as a party, see Scotland after any YES win.Both the Labour and Conservative parties are offering certain additional powers to Holyrood if we vote NO.

So, The SNPs vision is obviously flawed to a degree, but we don't have vote them in.Westminster are nodding and winking saying, vote NO and get more powers, but what powers?If there is a desire to have more power in Holyrood, why not vote YES?


Which brings me back to a question I've asked many times before.Why is Westminster so keen to keep Scotland in the union?WE're told Scotland has the best of both worlds financially, so using that logic we'd be worse off independent, yes?Which also means The UK is providing more than our fair share to finance Scotland, yes?So why, if we're a financial burden, does Westminster/BT want to keep Scotland? No one has answered me that question.

IMO its because they believe the UK as it stands is the best overall option for these Isles and don't want us divided. It's not all about finances by any means, I think you already understand that though.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But Devo Max isn't an option.

Forget Devo Max.

Would you want to be independent, or would you want to be part of the UK. Devo Max may or may not happen, and therefore (no matter what the politicians hint, or imply, or suggest, or "nudge nudge wink wink) it shouldn't come into your thinking.

My prediction:

Scotland will vote NO, as a lot of people bank on Devo Max, and when in 5 years nothing has been done, it comes around full circle, and people complain, and want a referendum on Devo Max or not.

...and when in 10yrs time Westminster still refuses calls for a referendum on devo Max then what?

Not on cards now and potentially unacceptable to rest of UK in future - UDI?

 

[SocketRocket]

...and when in 10yrs time Westminster still refuses calls for a referendum on devo Max then what?

Not on cards now and potentially unacceptable to rest of UK in future - UDI?

Who knows what form of Government will be in power in a decade and what their views may be. England may want devo max by then.

 

[FairwayDodger]

That is my dilemma.
I am in favor of Devo Max but can't vote for it.
Do I take a punt on the Nats or do I trust a Tory Government when it comes to Scotland ?

I think I might just abstain.

Well..... If we vote YES you definitely won't get devo max, if we vote NO you might get it one day.... Maybe. But don't hold your breath.....

 

[2blue]

It's just unfortunate that your obsessed with Tory as the Government or are you writing off the others. Remember, we get the Torys in to do the unpopular things to fix what the other clowns cock up and then we vote the clowns in again.

Why is it all about the Torys.

Oh no Scotland..... please don't leave us with the Kippers & Dail Mail believing Tory Nutters. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

 

[MegaSteve]

So why, if we're a financial burden, does Westminster/BT want to keep Scotland? No one has answered me that question.

Because their mates, in business, are not liking the look of a socialist left wing independent Scotland... Not good for business... Workers with rights can't be having that....

 

[SocketRocket]

Because their mates, in business, are not liking the look of a socialist left wing independent Scotland... Not good for business... Workers with rights can't be having that....

Have you considered North Korea?

 

[2blue]

Have you considered North Korea?

WHAT!!!!...... and join the Crazy Club with all those Kippers & Mail reading Tory nutters

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Because their mates, in business, are not liking the look of a socialist left wing independent Scotland... Not good for business... Workers with rights can't be having that....

If you think The SNP are close to be being socialist you've not been paying attention.If you think Scottish Labour are close to being socialist step away from the crack pipe.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

See, you've shown your true cards as a WUM with that post DfT! You've clearly referred to it as England when you know that will wind people up.... very clever.

60 million votes in England about 5 million in rrUK........England rUK it is the same.

In the present UK Yorkshire can out vote Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Oh no Scotland..... please don't leave us with the Kippers & Dail Mail believing Tory Nutters. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

A worry if it were true.

The Daily Mail does not have a monopoly on Nutters.

There are plenty of those reading the Mirror (all believing that everything from the economy to global warming and the failure of England at the World Cup is the fault of some Old Etonian) and the Guardian whose readers seem to have a conspiracy theory to fit every situation.

Still we could always have the Two Edded Monster Raving Loonies.

 

[Old Skier]

In the present UK Yorkshire can out vote Scotland.

Shame they havnt got the vote for an iscot. Yes for certain would win.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

60 million votes in England about 5 million in rrUK........England rUK it is the same.

In the present UK Yorkshire can out vote Scotland.

You never let figures get in the way of your arguments do you.

According to the ONS there were, in 2012, just under 46.5 million voters in the UK as a whole.

Somehow I don't think there has been that big a population explosion in the intervening two years.

 

[Old Skier]

You never let figures get in the way of your arguments do you.

According to the ONS there were, in 2012, just under 46.5 million voters in the UK as a whole.

Somehow I don't think there has been that big a population explosion in the intervening two years.

You do know that quoting facts to the Yes campaign is a bit like walking through treacle or trying to read the rules threads.