Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

Didnt realise it was Scotlands Oil - when did that happen ?

So there isnt actually a company in Scotland to farm the oil ? Another thing that would need created.

I'm not sure where your going with this.The oil is in Scottish waters, if/when we vote yes, it'll be ours.

And creating companies that require jobs isn't a bad thing...but thats just my preference, I'm a fan of the mondragon principles

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not sure where your going with this.The oil is in Scottish waters, if/when we vote yes, it'll be ours.

And creating companies that require jobs isn't a bad thing...but thats just my preference, I'm a fan of the mondragon principles

So wont we get a portion of the oil just as Scotland appear to want a portion of everything currently owned by the UK ?

I belive its currently UK oil in UK waters and no boundaries have been set ?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Well OPEC for one completely disagrees with your optimistic view of both the North Sea reserves and the viability of developing new fields around Scotland.

So who do you believe?Opec or Cameron?...and as for OPEC, I'm not sure if they're the best source of info...they say oil is running out in an area they have no governance to make them look more attractive?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So wont we get a portion of the oil just as Scotland appear to want a portion of everything currently owned by the UK ?

I belive its currently UK oil in UK waters and no boundaries have been set ?

I'm not going to entertain this...would Scotland get a share of the city of london?

Be sensible.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not going to entertain this...would Scotland get a share of the city of london?

Be sensible.

Im surprised if that isnt in Salmonds white paper. The point is there is lots of presumptions of what will happen IF there is a Yes vote - but no one including yourself will actually know what will happen. The oil could end up being shred between us and yourselves - plus lots and lots of other permetations - nothing is set in stone.

 

[Foxholer]

Didnt realise it was Scotlands Oil - when did that happen ?

While you were 'on holiday'? Welcome back! you seem to be making up for lost time!

@MetalMickie What makes you say that about OPEC?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

While you were 'on holiday'? Welcome back! you seem to be making up for lost time!

@MetalMickie What makes you say that about OPEC?

Cheers - only been told i have racist behaviour and uneducated social skills so far - so its not too bad a day

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Im surprised if that isnt in Salmonds white paper. The point is there is lots of presumptions of what will happen IF there is a Yes vote - but no one including yourself will actually know what will happen. The oil could end up being shred between us and yourselves - plus lots and lots of other permetations - nothing is set in stone.

OK.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Cheers - only been told i have racist behaviour and uneducated social skills so far - so its not too bad a day

Add a complete lack of a grip on reality to that list!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Add a complete lack of a grip on reality to that list!

As opposed to being a fantasist :thup:

Come September i expect imo you will get a good smack of reality to bring you right down to earth - interesting to see how you cope with a NO vote as you appear so utterly desperate to be away from the English.

 

[Foxholer]

Cheers - only been told i have racist behaviour and uneducated social skills so far - so its not too bad a day

Seem pretty 'argumentative' to me!:rofl:

PS. It's permutations. Higgorant squaddie!:rofl:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

As opposed to being a fantasist :thup:

Come September i expect imo you will get a good smack of reality to bring you right down to earth - interesting to see how you cope with a NO vote as you appear so utterly desperate to be away from the English.

And herein lies the problem and preconceived idea that this is about getting away from the english.This is nothing to do with the welsh or irish or the english, but everything to do with the scottish.the problem for you is attempting to understand its not about you.And I think you'll struggle to understand that.

I also accept my side is behind and the chances are we'll lose.But that'll not stop me trying to win.I'll be gutted if we lose and you'll be smug, but if we win i'll not give you a second thought and you'll be gutted.thats the difference.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seem pretty 'argumentative' to me!:rofl:

PS. It's permutations. higgorant squaddie!:rofl:

Yeah thats the word i was looking for

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And herein lies the problem and preconceived idea that this is about getting away from the english.This is nothing to do with the welsh or irish or the english, but everything to do with the scottish.the problem for you is attempting to understand its not about you.And I think you'll struggle to understand that.

I also accept my side is behind and the chances are we'll lose.But that'll not stop me trying to win.I'll be gutted if we lose and you'll be smug, but if we win i'll not give you a second thought and you'll be gutted.thats the difference.

I wont be gutted or smug - i am sad that people want to break up such a strong alliance that has held together through modern history.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

While you were 'on holiday'? Welcome back! you seem to be making up for lost time!

@MetalMickie What makes you say that about OPEC?

Report in Daily Telegraph Business approx 3-4 weeks ago. Was not particularly positive towards oil production/demand in general and specific in their pessimism for North Sea.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So who do you believe?Opec or Cameron?...and as for OPEC, I'm not sure if they're the best source of info...they say oil is running out in an area they have no governance to make them look more attractive?

I have respect for many of the views you have expressed in this debate but here you appear to have fallen into the same trap as many in the YES camp i.e. selective quotation and reference only to those statements that support your argument.


OPEC are not alone, I believe, in their concerns.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I have respect for many of the views you have expressed in this debate but here you appear to have fallen into the same trap as many in the YES camp i.e. selective quotation and reference only to those statements that support your argument.


OPEC are not alone, I believe, in their concerns.

So was Cameroonian telling us porkies when he visited Aberdeen?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So was Cameroonian telling us porkies when he visited Aberdeen?

Quite possibly in much the same way that Wee 'Eck does. After all they are both politicians and they would call it spin not lies.

 

[FairwayDodger]

So was Cameroonian telling us porkies when he visited Aberdeen?

Were his lips moving?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe you are misinterpreting why Shell, or any other business, would like Scotland to continue to be part of UK.

It is purely based on the (selfish) risk of cost to the business! And that's the same as every business that has and will comment on possible independence.

Virtually every business tries to avoid, or at least minimise 'uncertainty and risk to their business'. The Independence vote is something that many businesses will have to consider because if a 'Yes' result happens, there will be 'uncertainty and risk to their business'. So because they prefer no risk/uncertainty - and the associated cost - they naturally prefer the status quo - about anything!

From a business perspective, they almost certainly don't really give a toss whether Scotland is independent or not, but if it involves uncertainty and risk to their business they will prefer 'no change' and/but will make (contingency) plans to mitigate any risk.

Oh a man to my 'risky' heart. Indeed many major businesses will consider it important for them to state their recognition that a risk with an iScotland exists - as much because their duty of care to their shareholders and duty to maximise their returns demands they do. If they didn't make such a statement the markets might decide that the company wasn't actively assessing the risk and determining the mitigation and contingency plans.