Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

So BBC are saying Shell want Scotland to stay part of the Uk and it appears that the Shell boss has said they want Scotland to stay part of the UK

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So BBC are saying Shell want Scotland to stay part of the Uk and it appears that the Shell boss has said they want Scotland to stay part of the UK

It's about the use of the word stability and the suggestion that would not be the case post yes.

 

[FairwayDodger]

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I take nothing I read on any forum as gospel btw.

OK, so I had to zoom in and still found your picture hard to read but, if I got it correctly it said....

BBC reported that the shell boss wants Scotland to stay in the UK while he actually said that they'd like Scotland to stay in the UK.

I'm finding it hard to spot the distinction?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's about the use of the word stability and the suggestion that would not be the case post yes.

But the BBC weren't wrong though - Shell do want Scotland to stay part of the Uk - yes ?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

But the BBC weren't wrong though - Shell do want Scotland to stay part of the Uk - yes ?

The BBC used the word stability in reference to Scotland when shell used it in reference to Europe, so no, the BBC were not right

 

[CMAC]

anyone who takes the slightest notice of Sean Connery,Davie Bowie,that laddie from Dr Who or any other non-resident egotist should have their voting rights removed.

Can they be banned from posting on the "Independence" threads in the forum too....?

as you both have taken notice does that include you

:mmm:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The BBC used the word stability in reference to Scotland when shell used it in reference to Europe, so no, the BBC were not right

That a bit "nit picking" though isn't

The overall sentiment is Shell would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK ? Yes ?

A massive company that is directly involved in billion pound income as well as thousand of jobs - would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK - are people focusing on the use of one word to cloud over what Shell would like

 

[FairwayDodger]

as you both have taken notice does that include you

:mmm:

Blast!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

That a bit "nit picking" though isn't

The overall sentiment is Shell would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK ? Yes ?

A massive company that is directly involved in billion pound income as well as thousand of jobs - would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK - are people focusing on the use of one word to cloud over what Shell would like

Possibly.But inferring a lack of stability in iScotland is bollocks and should be called so.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Possibly.But inferring a lack of stability in iScotland is bollocks and should be called so.

Well it might be unstable if a yes vote occurs though ?

Either way it's a nothing worry and your main worry is what Shell have said

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Well it might be unstable if a yes vote occurs though ?

Either way it's a nothing worry and your main worry is what Shell have said

I can't think of any scenario where indy Scotland could be unstable, but might covers a whole range of things so I'll have to agree.

I have no worries about what Shell have to say...if they want to leave Scotland and the oil then jog on, someone else (ideally a nationalised scottish company) will make huge profits from our oil.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't think of any scenario where indy Scotland could be unstable, but might covers a whole range of things so I'll have to agree.

I have no worries about what Shell have to say...if they want to leave Scotland and the oil then jog on, someone else (ideally a nationalised scottish company) will make huge profits from our oil.

Which company is that ?

And your oil ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I can't think of any scenario where indy Scotland could be unstable, but might covers a whole range of things so I'll have to agree.

I have no worries about what Shell have to say...if they want to leave Scotland and the oil then jog on, someone else (ideally a nationalised scottish company) will make huge profits from our oil.

Do you mean the oil that, according to many industry experts, is a fast diminishing resource?

Whether the vote is YES or NO this really is an issue that Holyrood or Westminster is going to have to face up to honestly.

For far too long the oil & gas reserves have been viewed by politicians, North and South of the border, as if they will last forever when it now seems clear that their future is not long term.

 

[Foxholer]

OK, so I had to zoom in and still found your picture hard to read but, if I got it correctly it said....

BBC reported that the shell boss wants Scotland to stay in the UK while he actually said that they'd like Scotland to stay in the UK.

I'm finding it hard to spot the distinction?

I'd say the words for increasing levels of preference are -- don't mind/care; would like/prefer; want/desire; need essential
And the slope is pretty even imo.

So to use a higher level than the one is another example of slanted reporting imo.

Here's a link to a Reuters article - similarly slanted/biased imo http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/06/uk-scotland-independence-shel-idUKBREA250GA20140306 The statement about 'gathering chorus' should at least state that the chorus was about the risks (to the business) because of the uncertainty.

And there will be loads more of these - avery AGM of a shared company - so the 'Yes' needs to get a simple standard answer to combat them!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But the BBC weren't wrong though - Shell do want Scotland to stay part of the Uk - yes ?

According to BBC Scotland news tonight I think they'd prefer Scotland to remain part of the UK - and the UK to remain part of the EU. There's quite a difference between wanting something and preferring to have it.

 

[Foxholer]

The overall sentiment is Shell would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK ? Yes ?

A massive company that is directly involved in billion pound income as well as thousand of jobs - would like Scotland to stay as part of the UK - are people focusing on the use of one word to cloud over what Shell would like

I believe you are misinterpreting why Shell, or any other business, would like Scotland to continue to be part of UK.

It is purely based on the (selfish) risk of cost to the business! And that's the same as every business that has and will comment on possible independence.

Virtually every business tries to avoid, or at least minimise 'uncertainty and risk to their business'. The Independence vote is something that many businesses will have to consider because if a 'Yes' result happens, there will be 'uncertainty and risk to their business'. So because they prefer no risk/uncertainty - and the associated cost - they naturally prefer the status quo - about anything!

From a business perspective, they almost certainly don't really give a toss whether Scotland is independent or not, but if it involves uncertainty and risk to their business they will prefer 'no change' and/but will make (contingency) plans to mitigate any risk.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Which company is that ?

And your oil ?

re:company, dunno,a newy formed, govt owned stateoil?And aye,Scotlands oil.

Do you mean the oil that, according to many industry experts, is a fast diminishing resource?

Whether the vote is YES or NO this really is an issue that Holyrood or Westminster is going to have to face up to honestly.

For far too long the oil & gas reserves have been viewed by politicians, North and South of the border, as if they will last forever when it now seems clear that their future is not long term.

Not seven days ago Davie Cameron was licking arse in Aberdeen, proclaiming the start of a new oil boom, worth £2 trillion.Now, off course its diminishing, but there's more left than we're taken out already, and then add on the stuff west of shetland and the stuff in the clyde basin.

So, Norway started an oil fund in the early 90's, which is now worth more than the oil that funded it and will technically, never run out and makes each and every Norwegian citizen a $ millionaire.Recently they had to create anew bank to take on some of the 'burden' of their fund because it was too big for one bank!...so lets be honest, themain reason that westminster has formed the most unholy alliance is because of our oil...it funds loads.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBDa0e9CLuY&feature=kp

 

[Deleted member 18588]

re:company, dunno,a newy formed, govt owned stateoil?And aye,Scotlands oil.



Not seven days ago Davie Cameron was licking arse in Aberdeen, proclaiming the start of a new oil boom, worth £2 trillion.Now, off course its diminishing, but there's more left than we're taken out already, and then add on the stuff west of shetland and the stuff in the clyde basin.

So, Norway started an oil fund in the early 90's, which is now worth more than the oil that funded it and will technically, never run out and makes each and every Norwegian citizen a $ millionaire.Recently they had to create anew bank to take on some of the 'burden' of their fund because it was too big for one bank!...so lets be honest, themain reason that westminster has formed the most unholy alliance is because of our oil...it funds loads.

Well OPEC for one completely disagrees with your optimistic view of both the North Sea reserves and the viability of developing new fields around Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

re:company, dunno,a newy formed, govt owned stateoil?And aye,Scotlands oil.



Not seven days ago Davie Cameron was licking arse in Aberdeen, proclaiming the start of a new oil boom, worth £2 trillion.Now, off course its diminishing, but there's more left than we're taken out already, and then add on the stuff west of shetland and the stuff in the clyde basin.

So, Norway started an oil fund in the early 90's, which is now worth more than the oil that funded it and will technically, never run out and makes each and every Norwegian citizen a $ millionaire.Recently they had to create anew bank to take on some of the 'burden' of their fund because it was too big for one bank!...so lets be honest, themain reason that westminster has formed the most unholy alliance is because of our oil...it funds loads.

Didnt realise it was Scotlands Oil - when did that happen ?

So there isnt actually a company in Scotland to farm the oil ? Another thing that would need created.