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One of last nights TV highlights was two lobster fishermen from dunbar on CH4 news.They basically ripped the pish out of each other, one was yes, one was no.

But I'm interested in your point of view seeing as you work in one of our main industries.My own, possibly misguided, view of fishing the north sea, is the common fisheries policy we signed up to has reduced your ability? Wasn't it a rough deal handed down by westminster? I'd have thought independence would be great for your industry?

No not really misguided some good points raised, you are correct in saying the Westminster government sold our fisherman out when joining into the common market, and year on year whatever government are in power the fishing industry gets very little support.

The commen fisheries policy is a very complex set of negotiations and you can't really single out areas such as the North Sea for example, the last thing our fishing industry needs is uncertainty and if Scotland gets independence without really knowing what will happen after independence would result IMO disaster for the fishing industry .

So in a ideal world independence would seem a very good idea for our fishing industry ,the reality is very different.
 

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No not really misguided some good points raised, you are correct in saying the Westminster government sold our fisherman out when joining into the common market, and year on year whatever government are in power the fishing industry gets very little support.

The commen fisheries policy is a very complex set of negotiations and you can't really single out areas such as the North Sea for example, the last thing our fishing industry needs is uncertainty and if Scotland gets independence without really knowing what will happen after independence would result IMO disaster for the fishing industry .

So in a ideal world independence would seem a very good idea for our fishing industry ,the reality is very different.


Or you could look at it the other way as in Scotland would no longer be part of the EU with no guarantee of getting in even if they wanted to means the EU has no control over the levels of fishing in Scottish waters.
Fish it till it's dry if you like no one can stop you but it's the same as the oil, it will run out sooner than everyone thinks.

No offence but it's all getting boring now with the no campaigners making a valid reason to vote no only for the yes campaigners to turn around and say they are scaremongering.

I can't believe none of the TV channels are showing Braveheart tonight!
 

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Or you could look at it the other way as in Scotland would no longer be part of the EU with no guarantee of getting in even if they wanted to means the EU has no control over the levels of fishing in Scottish waters.
Fish it till it's dry if you like no one can stop you but it's the same as the oil, it will run out sooner than everyone thinks.

No offence but it's all getting boring now with the no campaigners making a valid reason to vote no only for the yes campaigners to turn around and say they are scaremongering.

I can't believe none of the TV channels are showing Braveheart tonight!

Baffling statment saying "fish it till it's dry and it will run out sooner than everyone thinks" the Scottish fleet are under very strict quote restrictions and this would not change a great deal if Scotland gained independence, any Scottish government would never allow a unrestricted quota allowance.
 

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Baffling statment saying "fish it till it's dry and it will run out sooner than everyone thinks" the Scottish fleet are under very strict quote restrictions and this would not change a great deal if Scotland gained independence, any Scottish government would never allow a unrestricted quota allowance.

I'm not saying they would only that they could. You would in effect be out of all EU control.

I'm hoping for a no vote myself as it would be very costly to send the missus back if you vote yes. :thup:
 

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I do find it amusing that those who want to get Scotland away from the UK in order to be independent desperately want to belong to the EU - an organisation essentially formed of a non-elected set of professional politicians whose goal is greater and great control and less national sovereignty.
 

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I do find it amusing that those who want to get Scotland away from the UK in order to be independent desperately want to belong to the EU - an organisation essentially formed of a non-elected set of professional politicians whose goal is greater and great control and less national sovereignty.

Non elected? What are the MEP elections?
 

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Excited/Scared/Emotional

We're very lucky to be alive just now.I'm logging off until sometime tomorrow/Saturday, I'll be back to accept I was wrong or to bathe in the warm after glow of smugness*


*only joking a wee bit
 

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Excited/Scared/Emotional

We're very lucky to be alive just now.I'm logging off until sometime tomorrow/Saturday, I'll be back to accept I was wrong or to bathe in the warm after glow of smugness*


*only joking a wee bit

I really really really want this all to be over and for you to come out as a secret NO voter, or something else unlikely! That would make me chuckle a lot.

At the end of the day, I'm so impressed at the voter registration numbers in Scotland. How amazing would it be if a general election in teh UK had that turnout.



Also, if Scotland does stay NO, can I start a "European Debate" thread, for the referendum that may/may not happen on that?
 

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There is some swearing in this show occasionally so the may be some in this, I can't remember. But it is funny.

[video=youtube_share;-YkLPxQp_y0]http://youtu.be/-YkLPxQp_y0[/video] ;)
 

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I really really really want this all to be over and for you to come out as a secret NO voter, or something else unlikely! That would make me chuckle a lot.

At the end of the day, I'm so impressed at the voter registration numbers in Scotland. How amazing would it be if a general election in teh UK had that turnout.



Also, if Scotland does stay NO, can I start a "European Debate" thread, for the referendum that may/may not happen on that?

What has registration levels got to do with the outcome?
 

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It bodes well but the actual turnout will be more relevant, I think. Plenty of people on the electoral register don't actually vote.

True. You would like to think 90%+ would be achievable, which would be an amazing achievement. Anything under 80% and it opens up all sorts of arguments about the result being the right one or not.
 

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For all the YES voters - If the NO vote were to win, what kind of majority would you accept? Would you be Ok losing to 50% +1 or do you think this would lead to problems further down the line?

Also, and I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere, but if the YES vote was to win, is there a strategy in place to cover an increase in immigration should the oft-hyped "Fairer Society" come to pass?
 
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