Scotland Debate

[Dodger]

Dimbleby finally asks him about difficulty of getting devo powers through parliament....... He doesn't answer.

Dimbleby asks again..... Brown explains Barnett formula.

Dimbleby presses him on unilateral writing of constitution (in the Daily Record)(!). In denial, maintaining it will be fair on everyone.

 

[SocketRocket]

"O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!"

I notice Nicola has been tidied up and presented in her new frock. Was that a wee lousie I spotted in her hair?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...gn-every-bit-as-dodgy-as-Iraq-dossier.html?fb

 

[Beezerk]

I see Salmond is on Sky News again saying how an independent Scotland will use the pound and no-one can stop them.

That's not in doubt.

He still failed to answer the no currency union question. Undead he have the "it's in both out interests'" answer.

Well dodged sir, well dodged.

I waiting for someone to press him on that subject, just to see how long he can squirm.

You can't press him as he claims "scaremongering" which itself is pure scaremongery!

 

[One Planer]

You can't press him as he claims "scaremongering" which itself is pure scaremongery!

Purely my point.

Everyone knows they can use the pound. The currency union is the sticking point that he has offered little to no alternative to.

 

[delc]

Three good reasons to vote 'No' tomorrow:
1) Alex Salmond
2) Alex Salmond
3) Alex Salmond

Just another self seeking politician in my view. :mmm:

 

[delc]

Purely my point.

Everyone knows they can use the pound. The currency union is the sticking point that he has offered little to no alternative to.

Er! The pound is controlled by UK Treasury and the Bank of ENGLAND. Scotland will not be truly independent if their hands are tied by these institutions. You already have funny bank notes up there issued by Scottish banks, so set up a floating Scottish Pound and a controlling national bank. I was going to say Bank of Scotland, but that already exists as a dodgy commercial bank.

 

[patricks148]

Three good reasons to vote 'No' tomorrow:
1) Alex Salmond
2) Alex Salmond
3) Alex Salmond

Just another self seeking politician in my view. :mmm:

only thing is, its not a vote for Big Ek, its a vote on Independence

 

[Slab]

Three good reasons to vote 'No' tomorrow:
1) Alex Salmond
2) Alex Salmond
3) Alex Salmond

Just another self seeking politician in my view. :mmm:

No secret how you'll cast your vote then

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Dimbleby finally asks him about difficulty of getting devo powers through parliament....... He doesn't answer.

Dimbleby asks again..... Brown explains Barnett formula.

Dimbleby presses him on unilateral writing of constitution (in the Daily Record)(!). In denial, maintaining it will be fair on everyone.

Brown promises Barnett formula will remain and will not change - that'll play well in England and Wales with Lord Barnett not so enamoured by his formula.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-a-terrible-mistake-Lord-Barnett-admits.html

 

[Sweep]

Purely my point.

Everyone knows they can use the pound. The currency union is the sticking point that he has offered little to no alternative to.

An independent Scotland could continue to use the pound, much like large swathes of Mexico use the US Dollar in preference to their own currency. However, Washington (US, not Tyne and Wear ) does not consider Mexico or any other country when making fiscal decisions (interest rates etc) and it could not be expected that London would consider the Scottish sterling black market. It does not take a genius to realise that this would not be good for Scotland. It won't be an attractive proposition for companies to invest or base themselves in a Scotland who's sole currency is controlled by a foreign nation.
I will just repeat a couple of points I have made before:
How could Scotland call itself independent if it's currency and therefore a huge part of its economy is controlled by a foreign nation?
It is right and proper that the UK denies Scotland currency union. An independent Scotland would have rejected a union. If the last 6 years have taught us anything at all in economic terms, it is that currency union does not work without political union. It would be wrong for the UK government to take us down the road to disaster we so luckily managed to just avoid last time with the Euro.

 

[Sweep]

If I was a Scottish voter, I would be asking Mr. Salmond this:-
Why would an independent Scotland have to depend on using the pound? Many smaller nations have their own currency (the Channel Islands for example) Why can't Scotland do the same and why have you not planned for it?
I doubt I would receive a concise answer, but I would suspect the real reason would expose a whole raft of holes in the SNP economic policy and in economic terms, blow the whole case for independence out of the water. I suspect in truth an independent Scotland would economically need to cling on to the skirts of the UK - or hide beneath them.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Oil, the burden we can do without-

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=870348219643191

 

[Old Skier]

iscot wants Independence but also insits its has

Membership of EU without joining the Euro - a requirement of entry
The UK Pound - without having to sign up to any of its economic policies
Membership to NATO - without providing facilities to NATO's most potent weapons system

You insist on nothing, if the member states and the UK agree, you may get some of it, you may even get all of it. The decision is not iscotlands.

 

[Slab]

An independent Scotland could continue to use the pound, much like large swathes of Mexico use the US Dollar in preference to their own currency. However, Washington (US, not Tyne and Wear ) does not consider Mexico or any other country when making fiscal decisions (interest rates etc) and it could not be expected that London would consider the Scottish sterling black market. It does not take a genius to realise that this would not be good for Scotland. It won't be an attractive proposition for companies to invest or base themselves in a Scotland who's sole currency is controlled by a foreign nation.
I will just repeat a couple of points I have made before:
How could Scotland call itself independent if it's currency and therefore a huge part of its economy is controlled by a foreign nation?
It is right and proper that the UK denies Scotland currency union. An independent Scotland would have rejected a union. If the last 6 years have taught us anything at all in economic terms, it is that currency union does not work without political union. It would be wrong for the UK government to take us down the road to disaster we so luckily managed to just avoid last time with the Euro.

Re my bold:

This keeps cropping up!

Independence doesn't mean building walls & getting the oil on to boil! Like some bizarre 'ger orf moi land' interpretation of independence

Independence means self determination of the decisions and policies, including setting/creating alliances, memberships and partnerships whether that's with a bank, another nation or as part of an international community

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Why would an independent Scotland have to depend on using the pound? Many smaller nations have their own currency (the Channel Islands for example) Why can't Scotland do the same and why have you not planned for it?

I think eck might point you to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey#Currency

 

[Old Skier]

I think eck might point you to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey#Currency

That is becuase UK wishes to choose the Jersey currency. iscotland has been told that RUK chooses not to join with them. Maybe petty, may be the wrong decision in the end, but thats how it is for now.

 

[mikee247]

Three good reasons to vote 'No' tomorrow:
1) Alex Salmond
2) Alex Salmond
3) Alex Salmond

Just another self seeking politician in my view. :mmm:

Totally agree :clap: You must be mad to follow this plonker into what clearly is the unknown. He is far from impressive, chrasmatic or even slightly credible. I don't understand why or what this fine nation of people see in this fat rather poisoned excuse of a man? Ive worked and fought with some fine jocks (Scots Guards, Black Watch, Southern Highlanders etc etc ) in the past and surely they know better than to follow some gimic of a man over a cliff?!! You would say good bye to all that loyal military history as well! There is a massive connection up there and I hope they see sense and tick the no box.

As a rather intelligent, clued up and pragmatic Scottish lady put it on the radio yesterday " People seem to think that jumping onto Salmond's merry band wagon is good for their future but the trouble is.... he has no idea where its going!!??"

Think very carefully Scotland before voting yes just to pish Cameron and the Tories off... They will have been and gone before you know it.... but you'd be giving up on a Union that's been around for centuries and there's no going back!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

That is becuase UK wishes to choose the Jersey currency. iscotland has been told that RUK chooses not to join with them. Maybe petty, may be the wrong decision in the end, but thats how it is for now.

Indeed, for now.

So no currency union if we vote yes but devo max of we vote no. The contradictions of love/hate coming from BT is astonishing.

 

[Stuey01]

If there is a yes vote, will Scots who want no part of it be able to move to UK and get/retain UK citizenship?