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Scotland Debate
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Guardian ICM poll out today is 42 No, 40 Yes, 17 No?Yes?
I'd say that's good for YES given the pelters being handed out by NO this week and was taken after the three new pals headed north.
Plus 87% definite to vote - brilliant - well done Scotland on that one,.
I'd say that's good for YES given the pelters being handed out by NO this week and was taken after the three new pals headed north.
Plus 87% definite to vote - brilliant - well done Scotland on that one,.
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lol - a coffee over the keyboard moment. And if said country was stony broke... oops, you've already been there.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
And bringing the NO debate to the ultimate nit picking low by speaking of the messages [shopping]
Morrison's said that their prices may come down in an iScotland.
Just been to Tesco's and nearly everything is on offer or bogof.
I will concede that perhaps that has more to do with their failing business than independence.
Morrison's said that their prices may come down in an iScotland.
Just been to Tesco's and nearly everything is on offer or bogof.
I will concede that perhaps that has more to do with their failing business than independence.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Sorry Val but I have no idea of what I should be replying to, please remind me.
Beezerk
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Take all our taxes and send more back.
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
Scotland have been getting the bum deal for years.
I dont know why folk are think we get more back than we give. Total nonsense.
I dont know why folk are think we get more back than we give. Total nonsense.
More total nonsense.
Get your self to any inner city in any part of the UK and you'll see they are all in the same boat. Courtesy of the Barnett formula there has been more spending per head in Scotland for donkey's year, and many of those years its been a Scottish Prime Minister AND Scottish Chancellor.
Too many chips on too many shoulders...
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
Scotland have 8.4% population of the Uk. They spend 9.3% of the Uk money. Thats thr info the no campaign are putting out there.
What they are forgetting is that Scotland contributes 9.9% of the Uks money.
If we got the 9.9% share back that we put in we would have another £4.4bn to spend in our country.
These are all facts from the GERS report 2102-2013 . (Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland report)
Based on data from Scotland and Uk government sources published every year.
What they are forgetting is that Scotland contributes 9.9% of the Uks money.
If we got the 9.9% share back that we put in we would have another £4.4bn to spend in our country.
These are all facts from the GERS report 2102-2013 . (Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland report)
Based on data from Scotland and Uk government sources published every year.
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
You need to read your facts buddy. And not ones on no campaigns websites etc.
Yes scotland do recieve more per head. However they contribute more in taxes than the uk average. Statistics as follows.
Income per person scotland= £10'741 expenditure = £12'181
Income per person Uk = £9'054 expenditure = £10'966
Spending per person on Scottish is £1215 higher than the Uk average.
Taxes raised per person in Scotland is £1687 higher per person than the Uk average.
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
Cant argue with facts
nowt wrong with my facts. At present Scotland are part of the UK, and the money the UK generates is spread around the UK, inc the £10billion generated in the Square Mile of London. When you're an independent country you'll get to spend it where you want.
Your increased tax generation per head would suggest you already have a higher average wage than the rest of the UK. But for what is purported to be a caring, social country you don't seem to want to share it around the UK, which you are a part of.
Typical selfish response from many of the Yes campaigners.
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
Why are labour sennding 100 mps to glasgow to support the no campaign.offering the power we first asked for which lead to the referendum??? If we are that much of a drain to the uk why do people want us to stay???
And as for yes campaign. Not me.Im 60/40 at the moment studying all the facts to do with my country.
Im happy the way the country is at the moment. I would happily stay part of the uk.
What I dont agree with is £1.3 trillion in debt.
£37bn of cuts in public sector next year.
£100bn going towards the new nuclear trident program.
Come on the country is in mega debt. And they will run our nhs into the ground in favour of developing new nuclear warheads. Which will never be used.
Nuclear warfare is illegal. I cant understand why the country continues to plough money into it
And as for yes campaign. Not me.Im 60/40 at the moment studying all the facts to do with my country.
Im happy the way the country is at the moment. I would happily stay part of the uk.
What I dont agree with is £1.3 trillion in debt.
£37bn of cuts in public sector next year.
£100bn going towards the new nuclear trident program.
Come on the country is in mega debt. And they will run our nhs into the ground in favour of developing new nuclear warheads. Which will never be used.
Nuclear warfare is illegal. I cant understand why the country continues to plough money into it
I totally, 100% agree with everything you've posted above. Why does the UK want Scotland to stay? Truthfully, I'd say its because of the balance to the budget the oil tax revenue brings. Change the balance and the house of cards that £1.3trillion debt brings will see the rUK back into recession.
And if there is a currency Union, Scotland will feel the effect of that. So Scotland has choices. Go totally independent and have the cost of setting up its own central bank - but where does the money come from for that? What truth is there in the £135mill funding deficit that would happen post Yes? Or Go independent with a CU, which would see Scotland suffer from interest rate rises in the rUK - not full control of there own budget. Or stay as part of the Union and contribute to getting the UK out of the mess its in.
But on the issue of oil; how wealthy was Scotland pre-70's oil boom? And where will it get its tax revenues from when the wells are dry? Was Scotland a nett contributor pre-70's? And where did the money spent in Scotland come from pre-70's?
My jaundiced view; Scotland wanted the Union in 1707 coz it was stony broke. Scotland has done very well out of the Union. But now it is in a strong position financially it wants out. Scotland came into the 'house' when it was hungry and has been well fed. Now it wants to leave, taking the silver on the way out.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
According to the Daily Mail headlines [font of all knowledge]
A yes vote will trigger a global recession....aye right.
Pretty grovelling comments from the BBC on Newswatch for their handling of the Ashia King situation, TUC Conference key note speech [cut away for the announcement of a baby due to be born in 8 months time] and the Yes campaign International Press Conference. [Heckling of Scottish First Minister and cut away for a South African murder trial verdict]
A yes vote will trigger a global recession....aye right.
Pretty grovelling comments from the BBC on Newswatch for their handling of the Ashia King situation, TUC Conference key note speech [cut away for the announcement of a baby due to be born in 8 months time] and the Yes campaign International Press Conference. [Heckling of Scottish First Minister and cut away for a South African murder trial verdict]
More idiotic attacks on presentation over content
John Swinney comments yesterday sums up the YES attitude, what a great boost for the sensible NO campaign. Keep it up John:thup:
Bobirdie
Journeyman Pro
Again you have great points above which I do agree with mate. It was cameron that told us to run for independence if we wanted more powers, and now its 50/50 ish he offers us the powers we first wanted. What has changed???
I have had a great life as part of the Uk and if it stayed as it is now for the next 100 years I would be happy 100% no vote. I feel Scotland deserve more of a say in their own country.
I have had a great life as part of the Uk and if it stayed as it is now for the next 100 years I would be happy 100% no vote. I feel Scotland deserve more of a say in their own country.
DCB
Well-known member
Anyone see Jim Sillars on Sky News early this morning. He was being interviewed after his comments yesterday about a "day of reconning" and that BP would be brought into line by nationalising them. The man wants to stop eating the blue smarties. It was an embarrassment. He had a perfect opportunity to clarify what he said and what he meant and he blew it.
