Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

I also found it incredulous that someone who has debated long and hard on this thread was unaware of such a basic game changer as Tam's West Lothian question.

As bad as you suggesting that the Scottish border be moved down to incorporate the North of England

Or the fact that you and the yes continue to attack the way facts are delivered as opposed to actually tackling the facts

Or attacking the actual people who speak and dismiss what they say based on who they are and once again ignore what is actually being said

 

[williamalex1]

Terrorists in 2007

Correct, and the porters handled it with a little help from the police.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Here's an article and opinion - that pretty much reflects mine on the matter. Unusual source for me too!

http://www.theguardian.com/business...independence-banks-shift-lloyds-rbs-slow-leak

But I think AS's strategy of 'sticking to the policy of 'The White Paper' is a better one than replying to every detailed challenge - he'd be snowed under with minutae if he did that and he hasn't actually got the answers anyway as most of them are 'to be negotiated'!

And 'not answering the question' is one of the most essential skills of a politician anyway!

Has he actually answered any detailed challenge ?

Hasn't he been challenged on currency - no answer , defence - no answer , NHS - no answer , banks - no answer , big businesses - no answer

Sorry that's incorrect he has had an answer - scaremongering is the generic answer

 

[Foxholer]

I also found it incredulous that someone who has debated long and hard on this thread was unaware of such a basic game changer as Tam's West Lothian question.

I think you really meant 'incredible'! But 'incredulous' could well describe at least 1 of the folk involved!

And don't forget that it wasn't a question about West Lothian - as it often seems to be portrayed. But it was a question raised by 'the Member for West Lothian' - Tam Dalyell during a debate. It's just as relevant to Northern Ireland or Wales too. But Scottish independence would 'solve' much of it - as the Scottish MPs would disappear!

 

[patricks148]

Pensioners are on benefits! If you had a town full only with pensioners, it would require a lot of payments?

but it isn't, pure and simple.

i wonder how some of the posh retirement towns on the south coast of England would react to being labelled a town on benefits?

 

[DCB]

Has he actually answered any detailed challenge ?

Hasn't he been challenged on currency - no answer , defence - no answer , NHS - no answer , banks - no answer , big businesses - no answer

Sorry that's incorrect he has had an answer - scaremongering is the generic answer

That's a fairly good summary of recent events

 

[Beezerk]

So who thinks there will be a massive bombshell next week by Westminter/Bank of England etc just before the vote?
I feel a trump card is being hidden down the sleeve.

 

[Foxholer]

Has he actually answered any detailed challenge ?

Hasn't he been challenged on currency - no answer , defence - no answer , NHS - no answer , banks - no answer , big businesses - no answer

Sorry that's incorrect he has had an answer - scaremongering is the generic answer

If you are saying that his answers are along the lines of 'You are simply scaremongering! We know it can work and We will make it do so - with emphasis on the 'We'' then there are certainly instances where both you and he are correct!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why not do both?

How hard would it to answer along the lines of

"What you actually mean is XXXX, as that is what the situation actually is. In response to that, the YES vote proposes YYYYYYY"

OK fair in some cases - but if for instance the question is about AS view on loss of jobs due to Bank X moving out of Edinburgh; then what question is there to answer if AS points out that Bank X is not predicting ANY loss of jobs (no matter what you might want to read into the actual words in Bank X statement) "If Bank X changes it's mind and there might be loss of jobs..." ? Nah.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So who thinks there will be a massive bombshell next week by Westminter/Bank of England etc just before the vote?
I feel a trump card is being hidden down the sleeve.

I'm not sure they have anything left?

EU:discussed
NATO: discussed
£:discussed
banks:discussed
pensions: discussed
nhs:discussed

What, that's significant, is left?

 

[patricks148]

anyway on a lighter note, what night do you think The film "Brave heart" will be on TV

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

One interesting thing about this referendum (I like numbers so this is bound to interest me) is in the voting. Though the YES trail NO by 4% and this is indeed a 4% lead - it's only a 2% swing to be neck-and-neck in a two horse race. Even a 10% gap - which in a normal election would be huge - is only a 5% swing for level pegging. I suspect very few voters will spoil their ballot paper; there is no 'protest' against the main candidates; no 3rd Party halfway house. Each and vote is effectively 2 votes - the 6 pointer of football.

 

[Beezerk]

I'm not sure they have anything left?

EU:discussed
NATO: discussed
£:discussed
banks:discussed
pensions: discussed
nhs:discussed

What, that's significant, is left?

Dunno, just can't imagine they don't have an ace to play next week if the polls are still close. RBS pulling out of Scotland, supermarkets saying prices in Scotland will rise, there has to be more.
Oh and "discussed" doesn't mean the subjects have been put to bed.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

anyway on a lighter note, what night do you think The film "Brave heart" will be on TV

It's cobblers - whaur's the bluddy brig for a start

 

[Beezerk]

anyway on a lighter note, what night do you think The film "Brave heart" will be on TV

LOL
You can have our skirts, but you can never take our Buckfast

 

[Old Skier]

Perhaps you could post some links showing BBC bias towards the YES campaign to back up your claim.

Why bother, you'll suggest its a plant or some sinister plot. Time to take off your tin foil hat and watch the 2200 hr BBC news with your little fat man who always manages to expand on the Yes campaigns message.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I'm not sure they have anything left?

EU:discussed
NATO: discussed
£:discussed
banks:discussed
pensions: discussed
nhs:discussed

What, that's significant, is left?

It's the national lottery, we'll not be able to play it any more. All my hopes of early retirement dashed! :rant:

 

[Old Skier]

LOL
You can have our skirts, but you can never take our Buckfast

As it's made initially just down the road from me I suggest we stop sending it north for the next 7 days.

 

[Old Skier]

anyway on a lighter note, what night do you think The film "Brave heart" will be on TV

Not sure it would go down to well with some on here as they are always after factual evidence rather than a light hearted comedy of how Holywood thinks it should have happened.

 

[CMAC]

One interesting thing about this referendum (I like numbers so this is bound to interest me) is in the voting. Though the YES trail NO by 4% and this is indeed a 4% lead - it's only a 2% swing to be neck-and-neck in a two horse race. Even a 10% gap - which in a normal election would be huge - is only a 5% swing for level pegging. I suspect very few voters will spoil their ballot paper; there is no 'protest' against the main candidates; no 3rd Party halfway house. Each and vote is effectively 2 votes - the 6 pointer of football.

as you like figures what about this.

only one poll had YES ahead.

it polled 1012 people.

you had to be registered with yougov to be in the poll (ok thats not a number but worth noting it's not representative)

The reality I think (hope) will be very different and nearer 61/39 for a no.


The only time I'll be shouting YES is on September 19th when the NO's win.