Scotland Debate

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

in most cases I've found it depends on who you are asking. Ive just come back from a few days a way with a the group of guys all of which all are either: Lawyers, Doctors and Retired Bankers and a Judge all are No Voters.

tbh - I would have put quite a few of my relatives in the NO camp. Maybe they still are.

 

[williamalex1]

in most cases I've found it depends on who you are asking. Ive just come back from a few days a way with a the group of guys all of which all are either: Lawyers, Doctors and Retired Bankers and a Judge all are No Voters.

Not surprising as they have more to lose , but the people on the bread line have nothing to lose and there seems to be more of them, I'm afraid.

 

[Old Skier]

A verdict on the Westminster stance on CU? Maybe the markets don't believe what Gideon and Co are saying and given a YES looks a possibility they want G&C to come clean.

No, if you look closely you will see there has been a major hit on Scottish company shares. It even made the news. It seems the whole thing has suddenly become newsworthy on the BBC.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

From what I can see in Ayrshire the YES voters seem to form a broad church.
In my circle of Yes friends there are accountants, civil servants, bankers, forestry workers, farmers, council workers and OAP's. They tend to be quiet.
My No friends include business men/women, hoteliers, shop keepers, OAP's and factory workers. They tend to be in your face loud.

It is interesting that the one group that YES seem to be failing to attract is the 16-18 year old's. The group that many on here thought were locked on Yes voters

I have asked my four grandchildren how I should vote.
All four, 5 to 12 years old, have said No as they don't want things to change.

 

[Old Skier]

Not surprising as they have more to lose , but the people on the bread line have nothing to lose and there seems to be more of them, I'm afraid.

Unfortunately the people on the bread line will still be on the bread line no matter which side wins. Anyone who thinks different will end up very disappointed. It's just a shame that both sides are giving the impression that it's all going to be sweetness and light if you vote for them.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Irvine nails it again

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/08/labour-pains-labour-of-love/

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No, if you look closely you will see there has been a major hit on Scottish company shares. It even made the news. It seems the whole thing has suddenly become newsworthy on the BBC.

I think the drop in the pound value is more to do with the long term problems that England will have to face without the additional off set from Scotland's balance of payments surplus. Not much to do with Scotland at all.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, if you look closely you will see there has been a major hit on Scottish company shares. It even made the news. It seems the whole thing has suddenly become newsworthy on the BBC.

Indeed - as mentioned earlier - we only started discussing this on the board back in....January! So we spotted this coming. And yet this morning UK MSM seem to have woken up to it with a start!

 

[SAPCOR1]

Opposite with me, I find the Yes voters more "in your face" as they are very passionate about it.

Whatever the outcome there are going to be a lot of unhappy and bitter Scots, especially if the "No" vote wins

 

[Old Skier]

It is interesting that the one group that YES seem to be failing to attract is the 16-18 year old's. The group that many on here thought were locked on Yes voters

I have asked my four grandchildren how I should vote.
All four, 5 to 12 years old, have said No as they don't want things to change.

Seems your grandchildren would like you to give them a secure future.

The 16-18 yr vote is interesting, they seem to be more on the unified train of thought including the EU stance.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Unfortunately the people on the bread line will still be on the bread line no matter which side wins. Anyone who thinks different will end up very disappointed. It's just a shame that both sides are giving the impression that it's all going to be sweetness and light if you vote for them.

To be fair I don't think many on the YES side think all is going to be all tickety-boo and hunky-dory following a YES - as much as the YES camp might say. And likewise a NO status quo isn't going to be painless - notwithstanding promises that Gideon & Co might make. There are cuts in the pipline that won't be cancelled so there is going to be status quo pain before any gain.

 

[Old Skier]

Whatever the outcome there are going to be a lot of unhappy and bitter Scots, whoever wins

Fixed that.

 

[Old Skier]

To be fair I don't think many on the YES side think all is going to be all tickety-boo and hunky-dory following a YES - as much as the YES camp might say. And likewise a NO status quo isn't going to be painless - notwithstanding promises that Gideon & Co might make. There are cuts in the pipline that won't be cancelled so there is going to be status quo pain before any gain.

If only the Scots could realise it is going to happen in the whole of the UK instead of taking it as a personal attack on north of the border.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

From what I can see in Ayrshire the YES voters seem to form a broad church.
In my circle of Yes friends there are accountants, civil servants, bankers, forestry workers, farmers, council workers and OAP's. They tend to be quiet.
My No friends include business men/women, hoteliers, shop keepers, OAP's and factory workers. They tend to be in your face loud.

That seems to go against everything I've seen on here/heard in passing. I've always gathered the impression that the YES vote is the much louder.

And I'm genuinly surprised about the accountants. a) if tax laws become simpler, less jobs for them. b) we have prudence as our mandate, which would suggest followed the status quo.

Oh and the bankers. Why would they not want to be connected closely with London, one of the banking hubs!!

In all honesty, if you were just to swap the YES and the NO in those descriptions, that would honestly be the impression I had previously gathered

 

[SAPCOR1]

Cheeky!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If only the Scots could realise it is going to happen in the whole of the UK instead of taking it as a personal attack on north of the border.

They may well realise - but they also realise that they have a once in a lifetime (ever) opportunity to do something about it - a chance denied the rest of the UK at the moment.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That seems to go against everything I've seen on here/heard in passing. I've always gathered the impression that the YES vote is the much louder.

And I'm genuinly surprised about the accountants. a) if tax laws become simpler, less jobs for them. b) we have prudence as our mandate, which would suggest followed the status quo.

Oh and the bankers. Why would they not want to be connected closely with London, one of the banking hubs!!

In all honesty, if you were just to swap the YES and the NO in those descriptions, that would honestly be the impression I had previously gathered

Depends where you are I guess. In the part of the constituency of Eastwood/East Renfrewshire where I am from you will hear a very vocal and noisy NO - that certainly seemed to be the case given the support a NO campaigner was getting last time I was up as he was canvassing for support outside local shops. But go 2 miles down the road and I suspect a very different view commonly held.

 

[Imurg]

Whatever the outcome there are going to be a lot of unhappy and bitter Scots, especially if the "No" vote wins

I've said all along I find it staggering that a straight majority is going to win. 50.01% is a winning number which alienates virtually half the electorate.
That's the way it is but surely a 2/3's majority would give a more meaningful mandate..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That seems to go against everything I've seen on here/heard in passing. I've always gathered the impression that the YES vote is the much louder.

And I'm genuinly surprised about the accountants. a) if tax laws become simpler, less jobs for them. b) we have prudence as our mandate, which would suggest followed the status quo.



Oh and the bankers. Why would they not want to be connected closely with London, one of the banking hubs!!

In all honesty, if you were just to swap the YES and the NO in those descriptions, that would honestly be the impression I had previously gathered

That is why most folk south of the border have called it totally wrong.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

To be fair I don't think many on the YES side think all is going to be all tickety-boo and hunky-dory following a YES - as much as the YES camp might say. And likewise a NO status quo isn't going to be painless - notwithstanding promises that Gideon & Co might make. There are cuts in the pipline that won't be cancelled so there is going to be status quo pain before any gain.

Quite enlightening to see on a TV debate a couple of young YES supporters who said that the would accept a hike in taxes if it gave Scotland a more equal society.....I would too.