Scotland Debate

[Foxholer]

Oh! What great sources of neutral politics. I should have quoted from the Daily Mail then :rofl:

While I totally agree with the above.... and one of them was almost 2 years old!

You can point out where in the articles they have things wrong if you wish ?

Lets start with all of them! :smirk:

Now; in your own words explain where they are correct !

However, the above registers a new level in 'SocketLogic'!

Plenty wrong with certain areas of the EU, but it seems to me that Scots are more inclined to a lot of Europe's policies/approaches than to England's.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Remember folks this considered judgement of the English electorate was brought to you by DfT , your resident (in Scotland that is) expert on English voting intentions.

All I said about this is that there is a perception in some - perhaps many - in Scotland that England has moved to the right and away from Scotland. I did not say that England has moved to the right. You are arguing that I am saying England has - and I am not - even although there does appear to be some evidence to support that view. Is it not possible for you to accept that - and if you accept that then you can maybe see how a Tory MP defecting to UKIP simply 'adds fuel to that fire'.

 

[Old Skier]

your resident (in Scotland that is).

Are you sure about that.

 

[Old Skier]

What exactly is a crown building?

Crown buildings and Crown estates is land and property owned by the British Government.

 

[Foxholer]

The size of the average constituency in Scotland, particularly across the Central Belt, distorts the figures.

In 2010 the results in Scotland were :-



Labour 42% of the vote, 41 seats
Lib/Dem 19% of the vote, 11 seats
SNP 20% of the vote, 6 seats
Conservative 16.5%, 1 seat

So it would appear that when talking about under-representation you should really be concerning yourself with Scottish Conservatives and, to a lesser extent the SNP.

I believe those figures are rather different to the ones for The Scottish Assembly! That would indicate to me that, at least many, Scots are, quite reasonably, making different decisions about who to vote for in UK Elections - reckoning SNP is a 'wasted' vote, but anyone but the Conservatives!

 

[Hobbit]

All I said about this is that there is a perception in some - perhaps many - in Scotland that England has moved to the right and away from Scotland. I did not say that England has moved to the right. You are arguing that I am saying England has - and I am not - even although there does appear to be some evidence to support that view. Is it not possible for you to accept that - and if you accept that then you can maybe see how a Tory MP defecting to UKIP simply 'adds fuel to that fire'.

I'm not disputing the perception but I would say that the vast majority of northern English are closer, politically, to Scotland than they are to the south east of England. Oop north has always been predominantly Labour, whereas the SE is where the majority of Conservative constituencies reside.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Remember folks this considered judgement of the English electorate was brought to you by DfT , your resident (in Scotland that is) expert on English voting intentions.

Well I have lived in England longer than many of the English posters on here so, if that is a compliment..thank you.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Anyway.........has Cameron come out from behind the sofa. If so did he say anything worthwhile, has he tried to buy any more votes or has he resigned yet.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I believe those figures are rather different to the ones for The Scottish Assembly! That would indicate to me that, at least many, Scots are, quite reasonably, making different decisions about who to vote for in UK Elections - reckoning SNP is a 'wasted' vote, but anyone but the Conservatives!

The Conservatives share of the vote showed the smallest change and, in any event, the Assembly elections are based upon PR, something I would advocate for all elections.

I doubt, however, if many Labour supporters would feel the same due to the inbuilt advantage the "first past the post" system gives them with comparatively smaller constituencies in their Scottish and Northern inner-city heartlands.

Fewer votes needed to elect a Labour MP than a Conservative.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well I have lived in England longer than many of the English posters on here so, if that is a compliment..thank you.

Certainly not a compliment as your ill informed ramblings on the attitudes of the English electorate add little illumination to this debate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I just love Brian Taylor, knocks all of the political commentators into a cocked hat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28965482

 

[Deleted member 18588]

All I said about this is that there is a perception in some - perhaps many - in Scotland that England has moved to the right and away from Scotland. I did not say that England has moved to the right. You are arguing that I am saying England has - and I am not - even although there does appear to be some evidence to support that view. Is it not possible for you to accept that - and if you accept that then you can maybe see how a Tory MP defecting to UKIP simply 'adds fuel to that fire'.

As I said previously this perception is the type of generalisation that, if directed at your fellow Scots, would rightly attract charges of lazy stereotyping.

Perhaps it is more a preconception than a perception, or possibly even a prejudice,

 

[Foxholer]

I'm not disputing the perception but I would say that the vast majority of northern English are closer, politically, to Scotland than they are to the south east of England. Oop north has always been predominantly Labour, whereas the SE is where the majority of Conservative constituencies reside.

If you check the results map, I believe you will find that it's a Labour's strength, seat winning wise, is in the Cities. Mind you, that doesn't indicate how much the seats were won by, just the fact that they were won. The map is predominantly Blue, so non-City areas are definitely Conservative dominated!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_England

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I'm not disputing the perception but I would say that the vast majority of northern English are closer, politically, to Scotland than they are to the south east of England. Oop north has always been predominantly Labour, whereas the SE is where the majority of Conservative constituencies reside.

The results of the 2010 Election suggests otherwise, although I suppose it depends how you define the North.

Have a look at the results map post 2010, there is an awful lot of blue north of Birmingham right up to the Borders.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Certainly not a compliment as your ill informed ramblings on the attitudes of the English electorate add little illumination to this debate.

So tell me, since Milliband was elected has the Kippers share of the vote increased or decreased?
A simple yes or no will do:smirk:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So tell me, since Milliband was elected has the Kippers share of the vote increased or decreased?
A simple yes or no will do:smirk:

Yes, throughout the UK

 

[Hobbit]

If you check the results map, I believe you will find that it's a Labour's strength, seat winning wise, is in the Cities. Mind you, that doesn't indicate how much the seats were won by, just the fact that they were won. The map is predominantly Blue, so non-City areas are definitely Conservative dominated!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_England

And if you look at the size of the Conservative constituencies, geographically, you'll see that the number of constituencies won by the blues is relatively small compared to those by the reds. Its people that vote, not areas. More people voted red than blue...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

And if you look at the size of the Conservative constituencies, geographically, you'll see that the number of constituencies won by the blues is relatively small compared to those by the reds. Its people that vote, not areas. More people voted red than blue...

In South Yorkshire & Tyne and Wear that is true but a different picture in much of the rest of the North and that includes total share of the popular vote.

Certainly more voted Labour than Conservative but then we have a coalition Government and more voted for the Coalition parties than for Labour.

 

[SocketRocket]

So tell me, since Milliband was elected has the Kippers share of the vote increased or decreased?
A simple yes or no will do:smirk:

Simple Yes

 

[Foxholer]

And if you look at the size of the Conservative constituencies, geographically, you'll see that the number of constituencies won by the blues is relatively small compared to those by the reds. Its people that vote, not areas. More people voted red than blue...

True enough - but it's (virtually only) around the Cities - even London that Labour performs best. They (Liverpool/Manchester greater areas and Northumberland) just happen to be 'North'. Lower population density areas are generally Conservative - all over the Country. The Blue dominance of Home Counties is signifcant though.